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	<title>Comments on: RIAA wins battle against AllofMP3, but loses war!</title>
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		<title>By: hhopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OFTLO - Lauren will send you an autographed photo for $9.99.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OFTLO &#8211; Lauren will send you an autographed photo for $9.99.</p>
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		<title>By: hhopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The music and movie industry is just plain STUPID.  There are many situations where they could make a lot more money by charging less and at the same time make the consumer happy.  Like pay-per-view movies; I would watch a hell of a lot more movies on cable or satellite if the price were cheaper.  It hasn&#039;t come down a bit in the last 15 years.  And I would buy a hell of a lot more music from iTunes if they were 20¢ each instead of 99¢ each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The music and movie industry is just plain STUPID.  There are many situations where they could make a lot more money by charging less and at the same time make the consumer happy.  Like pay-per-view movies; I would watch a hell of a lot more movies on cable or satellite if the price were cheaper.  It hasn&#8217;t come down a bit in the last 15 years.  And I would buy a hell of a lot more music from iTunes if they were 20¢ each instead of 99¢ each.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suppose that&#039;s a step up in the world, since most merely find me bizarre.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suppose that&#8217;s a step up in the world, since most merely find me bizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: OhForTheLoveOf</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/03/russia-kills-allofmp3com-mp3sparkscom-is-already-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-694438</link>
		<dc:creator>OhForTheLoveOf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 - Lauren...  I find you bizarrely attractive.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 &#8211; Lauren&#8230;  I find you bizarrely attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how the video industry was sure the Betamax was going to kill people going to the movies. They did a study and found that when people had a Betamax, they were more likely to go to the movies. 

But I have yet to see any similar study from the music industry. All I hear is how much illegal downloads are costing them.

My belief is that the high prices on most music is hurting them. I may pay a buck for the latest hot new tune but not for an oldie. I&#039;d buy a lot more music at 20 cents a song versus a buck. 

All their b.s. about how musicians get paid to create goes out the window when a song is &gt; ten years old.

Furthermore, if paying a buck a song is to give musicians incentive to create, then why are they still charging for Elvis songs? Oh wait, I forgot, he&#039;s still alive. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how the video industry was sure the Betamax was going to kill people going to the movies. They did a study and found that when people had a Betamax, they were more likely to go to the movies. </p>
<p>But I have yet to see any similar study from the music industry. All I hear is how much illegal downloads are costing them.</p>
<p>My belief is that the high prices on most music is hurting them. I may pay a buck for the latest hot new tune but not for an oldie. I&#8217;d buy a lot more music at 20 cents a song versus a buck. </p>
<p>All their b.s. about how musicians get paid to create goes out the window when a song is &gt; ten years old.</p>
<p>Furthermore, if paying a buck a song is to give musicians incentive to create, then why are they still charging for Elvis songs? Oh wait, I forgot, he&#8217;s still alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, but you didn&#039;t mention it, did you? Your remark carried the implication that inflation combined with a constant price equals profit erosion - which would imply that they&#039;re making less profit on CDs now -  and I simply offered that ever-declining production costs more than offset inflation, and therefore, even with inflation, CDs are more profitable than ever...

...or perhaps not, as the case may be. 

As Jim Nabors once said to Rock Hudson, &quot;One never knows, do one?&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, but you didn&#8217;t mention it, did you? Your remark carried the implication that inflation combined with a constant price equals profit erosion &#8211; which would imply that they&#8217;re making less profit on CDs now &#8211;  and I simply offered that ever-declining production costs more than offset inflation, and therefore, even with inflation, CDs are more profitable than ever&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;or perhaps not, as the case may be. </p>
<p>As Jim Nabors once said to Rock Hudson, &#8220;One never knows, do one?&#8221; <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: OhForTheLoveOf</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhForTheLoveOf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 - &lt;i&gt;you’re failing to consider &lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t fail to consider anything... or even disagree... I just pointed out what I think is often a neglected detail...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 &#8211; <i>you’re failing to consider </i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t fail to consider anything&#8230; or even disagree&#8230; I just pointed out what I think is often a neglected detail&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The promises were that they would - once production ramped up - sell at retail for no more than, and maybe even less than LPs, because they are actually cheaper to manufacture.

And while you&#039;re right as far as that goes - that the price has stayed relatively constant despite inflation - you&#039;re failing to consider the factor that should have driven prices down, even WITH inflation, which is the always-dropping prices of the raw materials and the lower cost per unit made possible by advances in mass pressing.

IOW, if the industry had kept their promises, the retail price would not only have dropped when production rose, but it would&#039;ve continued to drop due to further major production efficiencies.

Whether in constant or adjusted dollars, CDs have never been cheaper to make than now. But they&#039;re like those monkeys in some South Pacific region who are trapped with hollowed-out coconuts with sweets inside. They stick their hands in, grab the bait, making a fist in the process - and then can&#039;t remove their fist. But they WON&#039;T LET GO!

And that&#039;s the music companies in a nutshell - they won&#039;t unclench their greedy little fistful of high prices that they want so badly and they&#039;re so used to getting...

The vicious bastards could make plenty moolah with an MSRP of $7 or $8, discounted to $5 or $6 most places - and they would far more than compensate for the lost markup, over the middle and long term, by greatly increased sales volume, which would also help the entire industry regain footing.

But the fist stays clenched. Greed blinds you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The promises were that they would &#8211; once production ramped up &#8211; sell at retail for no more than, and maybe even less than LPs, because they are actually cheaper to manufacture.</p>
<p>And while you&#8217;re right as far as that goes &#8211; that the price has stayed relatively constant despite inflation &#8211; you&#8217;re failing to consider the factor that should have driven prices down, even WITH inflation, which is the always-dropping prices of the raw materials and the lower cost per unit made possible by advances in mass pressing.</p>
<p>IOW, if the industry had kept their promises, the retail price would not only have dropped when production rose, but it would&#8217;ve continued to drop due to further major production efficiencies.</p>
<p>Whether in constant or adjusted dollars, CDs have never been cheaper to make than now. But they&#8217;re like those monkeys in some South Pacific region who are trapped with hollowed-out coconuts with sweets inside. They stick their hands in, grab the bait, making a fist in the process &#8211; and then can&#8217;t remove their fist. But they WON&#8217;T LET GO!</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the music companies in a nutshell &#8211; they won&#8217;t unclench their greedy little fistful of high prices that they want so badly and they&#8217;re so used to getting&#8230;</p>
<p>The vicious bastards could make plenty moolah with an MSRP of $7 or $8, discounted to $5 or $6 most places &#8211; and they would far more than compensate for the lost markup, over the middle and long term, by greatly increased sales volume, which would also help the entire industry regain footing.</p>
<p>But the fist stays clenched. Greed blinds you.</p>
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		<title>By: OhForTheLoveOf</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhForTheLoveOf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 - &lt;i&gt;Then they saw that people were buying them at the inflated price, so they shut up about dropping any prices, and - well, here we are today…&lt;/i&gt;

I won&#039;t disagree that CD prices are higher than they should be... But, when you say here we are today, you are kind of saying &quot;after about 20 years, here we are today with CDs at the same price now that they were 20 years ago, despite inflation.&quot;

I would say, who buys CDs at that price? I surely don&#039;t, and I buy a lot of CDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; <i>Then they saw that people were buying them at the inflated price, so they shut up about dropping any prices, and &#8211; well, here we are today…</i></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t disagree that CD prices are higher than they should be&#8230; But, when you say here we are today, you are kind of saying &#8220;after about 20 years, here we are today with CDs at the same price now that they were 20 years ago, despite inflation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say, who buys CDs at that price? I surely don&#8217;t, and I buy a lot of CDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you guys are too young to remember, but in the early 80s, when CDs had a list price (that&#039;s MSRP to you youngsters) of $20, discounted most places to $16-18, they said that the high price was only temporary, because the was only one pressing plant in the US. When more plants come on line, the price was gonna drop, they promised - $5 - 8 maybe $10 tops.

Then they saw that people were buying them at the inflated price, so they shut up about dropping any prices, and - well, here we are today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you guys are too young to remember, but in the early 80s, when CDs had a list price (that&#8217;s MSRP to you youngsters) of $20, discounted most places to $16-18, they said that the high price was only temporary, because the was only one pressing plant in the US. When more plants come on line, the price was gonna drop, they promised &#8211; $5 &#8211; 8 maybe $10 tops.</p>
<p>Then they saw that people were buying them at the inflated price, so they shut up about dropping any prices, and &#8211; well, here we are today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now in my 50&#039;s, I hadnt really been interested in music for many years when I discovered allofmp3.  The price, 10-20 cents a song, and the well laid-out site with the ability to listen to individual tracks before buying, made music an enjoyable impulse buy again.  Why borrow CDs to rip, or fool with downloading crappy copies with Limewire to save 11 cents?  Before I knew it I had spent $50 and was ready to keep going before it was threatened with closure.     I tried to buy a few CDs from Amazon, but the price (for an entire album when I wanted 2 songs), and the DRM on some albums made me a non-music buyer again.   This is what he music industry doesnt understand.  A low enough price without DRM will kill piracy, and lead to a renewal of  a love of music for many people.  Everybody I have talked to who has done some illegal copying has some remorse that the artists are not getting paid, but that is overcome by the disgust at the greed of the RIAA.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now in my 50&#8242;s, I hadnt really been interested in music for many years when I discovered allofmp3.  The price, 10-20 cents a song, and the well laid-out site with the ability to listen to individual tracks before buying, made music an enjoyable impulse buy again.  Why borrow CDs to rip, or fool with downloading crappy copies with Limewire to save 11 cents?  Before I knew it I had spent $50 and was ready to keep going before it was threatened with closure.     I tried to buy a few CDs from Amazon, but the price (for an entire album when I wanted 2 songs), and the DRM on some albums made me a non-music buyer again.   This is what he music industry doesnt understand.  A low enough price without DRM will kill piracy, and lead to a renewal of  a love of music for many people.  Everybody I have talked to who has done some illegal copying has some remorse that the artists are not getting paid, but that is overcome by the disgust at the greed of the RIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8.  Well said!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Derail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Derail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 I like that whack-a-mole analogy. It&#039;s going to cost the RIAA heavily getting rid of each MP3 store that Russian company spawns.

#7 I agree.

I don&#039;t mind paying 12$ US for a physical CD / Album that might have 12 songs + goodies (pictures, movie clips, etc)

Effectively paying 1$ US per song, but getting physical media, that I can legally convert to MP3&#039;s and use in my car or home stereo too.

However, I totally DO NOT AGREE on paying that same 1$ US per song for a DRM&#039;ed MP3 file !!!

Paying 1/5 the price is just perfect, and I&#039;m content knowing that royalties are being paid as if those songs were being beamed over the radio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 I like that whack-a-mole analogy. It&#8217;s going to cost the RIAA heavily getting rid of each MP3 store that Russian company spawns.</p>
<p>#7 I agree.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind paying 12$ US for a physical CD / Album that might have 12 songs + goodies (pictures, movie clips, etc)</p>
<p>Effectively paying 1$ US per song, but getting physical media, that I can legally convert to MP3&#8242;s and use in my car or home stereo too.</p>
<p>However, I totally DO NOT AGREE on paying that same 1$ US per song for a DRM&#8217;ed MP3 file !!!</p>
<p>Paying 1/5 the price is just perfect, and I&#8217;m content knowing that royalties are being paid as if those songs were being beamed over the radio.</p>
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		<title>By: grog</title>
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		<dc:creator>grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

oh the irony is filthy rich!

a company in the former soviet union teaching an american industry painful lessons in free market competition

&lt;b&gt;what the riaa is too blinded by greed to see is that people would love to buy their music legitimately, if only the price were right who knew if you charged lower prices like walmart, you could disrupt an entire industry?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!</p>
<p>oh the irony is filthy rich!</p>
<p>a company in the former soviet union teaching an american industry painful lessons in free market competition</p>
<p><b>what the riaa is too blinded by greed to see is that people would love to buy their music legitimately, if only the price were right who knew if you charged lower prices like walmart, you could disrupt an entire industry?</b></p>
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		<title>By: Jerk-Face</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerk-Face</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. &quot;So we’re still good !&quot;

Yep, I just tried my old AllOfMp3 login and it works.  It even carried my balance over.  The RIAA must be seriously pissed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. &#8220;So we’re still good !&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, I just tried my old AllOfMp3 login and it works.  It even carried my balance over.  The RIAA must be seriously pissed!</p>
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