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	<title>Comments on: Hands on Review: Creative ZEN Vision W</title>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-820470</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17. &lt;em&gt;&quot;How do you have time to transfer the home movies&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;home movies.&quot;  If you mean VHS movies, you&#039;re probably right, it would take a long time.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It might be if they could be batch converted, but having to go back and forth transfering a file is very tiring.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

The Creative Video Converter software does batch convert files.  And it&#039;s not as if you have to sit and watch it.  If you&#039;re tired, simply go to bed and let the software do the work is has to do while you sleep.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It seems just as easy to get a portable DVD player and bring it along, with some DVDs. &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

With this Zen you could carry 120 movies with you.  Do you really want to carry 120 DVDs?!  That&#039;s just asinine.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It also needs a bigger hard drive - closer to 100G for any real use as a meadia player for a long trip&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

That doesn&#039;t make any sense.  First you say you should carry a portable DVD player and a few DVDs.  Now you&#039;re saying 120 movies is not enough.   Apparently you need 200 movies with you at all times but think it&#039;d be easier to carry a few DVDs that can&#039;t even fit in your pocket.  God, did you read this before you posted it?!

&lt;em&gt;&quot;or at least a HD that can be replace.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Once again, that&#039;s just asinine.  When you review a product you cannot review some hypothetical other product.  This product fits in your product.  If it was large enough to swap out hard drives it&#039;d be much larger and would &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;in your pocket.  It&#039;d be like reviewing a sports car but bitching because it doesn&#039;t come with a truck bed and enough seating as a school bus.  Simply stupid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17. <em>&#8220;How do you have time to transfer the home movies&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;home movies.&#8221;  If you mean VHS movies, you&#8217;re probably right, it would take a long time.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It might be if they could be batch converted, but having to go back and forth transfering a file is very tiring.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The Creative Video Converter software does batch convert files.  And it&#8217;s not as if you have to sit and watch it.  If you&#8217;re tired, simply go to bed and let the software do the work is has to do while you sleep.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It seems just as easy to get a portable DVD player and bring it along, with some DVDs. &#8220;</em></p>
<p>With this Zen you could carry 120 movies with you.  Do you really want to carry 120 DVDs?!  That&#8217;s just asinine.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It also needs a bigger hard drive &#8211; closer to 100G for any real use as a meadia player for a long trip&#8221;</em></p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  First you say you should carry a portable DVD player and a few DVDs.  Now you&#8217;re saying 120 movies is not enough.   Apparently you need 200 movies with you at all times but think it&#8217;d be easier to carry a few DVDs that can&#8217;t even fit in your pocket.  God, did you read this before you posted it?!</p>
<p><em>&#8220;or at least a HD that can be replace.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Once again, that&#8217;s just asinine.  When you review a product you cannot review some hypothetical other product.  This product fits in your product.  If it was large enough to swap out hard drives it&#8217;d be much larger and would <em>not </em>in your pocket.  It&#8217;d be like reviewing a sports car but bitching because it doesn&#8217;t come with a truck bed and enough seating as a school bus.  Simply stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: traaxx</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-712269</link>
		<dc:creator>traaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you have time to transfer the home movies.  It seems to take so long,it&#039;s not really worth it.  It might be if they could be batch converted, but having to go back and forth transfering a file is very tiring.  

It seems just as easy to get a portable DVD player and bring it along, with some DVDs.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like the device, but other than showing pictures you&#039;ve taken to people or transfering pictures to it&#039;s hard drive it doesn&#039;t really seem worth it.  It also needs a bigger hard drive - closer to 100G for any real use as a meadia player for a long trip if you&#039;re just looking to save space, or at least a HD that can be replace.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you have time to transfer the home movies.  It seems to take so long,it&#8217;s not really worth it.  It might be if they could be batch converted, but having to go back and forth transfering a file is very tiring.  </p>
<p>It seems just as easy to get a portable DVD player and bring it along, with some DVDs.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like the device, but other than showing pictures you&#8217;ve taken to people or transfering pictures to it&#8217;s hard drive it doesn&#8217;t really seem worth it.  It also needs a bigger hard drive &#8211; closer to 100G for any real use as a meadia player for a long trip if you&#8217;re just looking to save space, or at least a HD that can be replace.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-711737</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Since TinyUrl gave me (and therefore, you) a bogus link, I feel I&#039;m entitled to do two posts here. I use my notebook as a PMP, so maybe you shoulda reviewed this&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/17/hands-on-with-sonys-vaio-tz-superultraportable-notebook/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sony unit&lt;/a&gt;. They sure are a swank Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since TinyUrl gave me (and therefore, you) a bogus link, I feel I&#8217;m entitled to do two posts here. I use my notebook as a PMP, so maybe you shoulda reviewed this<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/17/hands-on-with-sonys-vaio-tz-superultraportable-notebook/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sony unit</a>. They sure are a swank Co.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-711352</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14. &lt;em&gt;&quot;After seeing the redesigned Sony PSP this week, its lack of a hard drive seems to be leaving it in the dust compared to a slick media player like this.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If the PSP had a 60 gig drive and played Dvix and XviD natively, I would have bought one without question.

Sony&#039;s problem is that its movie and music divisions won&#039;t let it create a media player anyone wants.  So the PSP is saddled with crappy and expensive proprietary storage and crappy proprietary codecs and Sony is left scratching its head why no one is buying it.

If Sony never morphed into a content company, it would be dominating exactly where Apple currently is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14. <em>&#8220;After seeing the redesigned Sony PSP this week, its lack of a hard drive seems to be leaving it in the dust compared to a slick media player like this.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If the PSP had a 60 gig drive and played Dvix and XviD natively, I would have bought one without question.</p>
<p>Sony&#8217;s problem is that its movie and music divisions won&#8217;t let it create a media player anyone wants.  So the PSP is saddled with crappy and expensive proprietary storage and crappy proprietary codecs and Sony is left scratching its head why no one is buying it.</p>
<p>If Sony never morphed into a content company, it would be dominating exactly where Apple currently is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a nice little unit. Video output is a definite bonus. After seeing the redesigned Sony PSP this week, its lack of a hard drive seems to be leaving it in the dust compared to a slick media player like this. For the price the Zens have always been great players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice little unit. Video output is a definite bonus. After seeing the redesigned Sony PSP this week, its lack of a hard drive seems to be leaving it in the dust compared to a slick media player like this. For the price the Zens have always been great players.</p>
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		<title>By: zzzzzzzzzzzza</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzzzzzzzzzzza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing like downloading torrents/right click on them to xfer to Zen Vision:W.

Support Divx/Xvid so you can basically convert DVD to those format a lot faster then converting them to MP4 or what ever.
 
Hook it up with standard TV with provided AV cable and watch

No converting, no special adapters, no special USB cables. 
Works great with Media Monkey, ZenCast software work pretty good.  You can watch Digg Nation/Rocket Boom in full wide screen and other Wide Screen Movies. Its large enough that you can actually enjoy watching. 

Only thing is no Accessories for this thing, not even Creative makes them, I want like Cig Socket mount or some sort of dash mount that doesn&#039;t require glue.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing like downloading torrents/right click on them to xfer to Zen Vision:W.</p>
<p>Support Divx/Xvid so you can basically convert DVD to those format a lot faster then converting them to MP4 or what ever.</p>
<p>Hook it up with standard TV with provided AV cable and watch</p>
<p>No converting, no special adapters, no special USB cables.<br />
Works great with Media Monkey, ZenCast software work pretty good.  You can watch Digg Nation/Rocket Boom in full wide screen and other Wide Screen Movies. Its large enough that you can actually enjoy watching. </p>
<p>Only thing is no Accessories for this thing, not even Creative makes them, I want like Cig Socket mount or some sort of dash mount that doesn&#8217;t require glue.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought one of these a few days ago, and I agree with basically everything you said.  It&#039;s a solid gadget, if a little large.  And creative&#039;s software has blown for a while (I was having trouble transferring audible files to a Nomad Zen xtra, so I wanted to try doing it with windows media player.  But i needed to upgrade the players firmware to a playforsure version, and WMP 11 killed my USB drivers, and crashed the update in the middle turning my nomad into a brick until I could manage to figure out what the shit happened.), so I wasn&#039;t surprised when the newest version was so damned aggravating.  But the hardware is wonderful.  Good review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought one of these a few days ago, and I agree with basically everything you said.  It&#8217;s a solid gadget, if a little large.  And creative&#8217;s software has blown for a while (I was having trouble transferring audible files to a Nomad Zen xtra, so I wanted to try doing it with windows media player.  But i needed to upgrade the players firmware to a playforsure version, and WMP 11 killed my USB drivers, and crashed the update in the middle turning my nomad into a brick until I could manage to figure out what the shit happened.), so I wasn&#8217;t surprised when the newest version was so damned aggravating.  But the hardware is wonderful.  Good review.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-711083</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. &lt;em&gt;&quot;Good review&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Thanks to all!

&lt;em&gt;&quot;What did you use for transferring the music?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I use Creative&#039;s Media Explorer for now, but I want to switch over to Winamp as that&#039;s what I use to play and organize my music on the computer.  I just cannot get it to work.

2. &lt;em&gt;&quot;The customer service is run by satan himself.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve bought enough sound cards to know that Creative hates their customers.  But once you accept that, it&#039;s really OK.

10. &lt;em&gt;&quot;JC, where’d you get the rebate code from?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

SN here, I bought it from Newegg at that price last month. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. <em>&#8220;Good review&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Thanks to all!</p>
<p><em>&#8220;What did you use for transferring the music?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I use Creative&#8217;s Media Explorer for now, but I want to switch over to Winamp as that&#8217;s what I use to play and organize my music on the computer.  I just cannot get it to work.</p>
<p>2. <em>&#8220;The customer service is run by satan himself.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve bought enough sound cards to know that Creative hates their customers.  But once you accept that, it&#8217;s really OK.</p>
<p>10. <em>&#8220;JC, where’d you get the rebate code from?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>SN here, I bought it from Newegg at that price last month.</p>
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		<title>By: jdm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC, where&#039;d you get the rebate code from? I wanna get the $299 deal! NewEgg.com also has the 30GB W for $268.99 (before any rebate).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC, where&#8217;d you get the rebate code from? I wanna get the $299 deal! NewEgg.com also has the 30GB W for $268.99 (before any rebate).</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-710854</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8. You a funny guy. LOL.</description>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/17/dvorak-crew-review-creative-zen-vision-w/comment-page-1/#comment-710842</link>
		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the tag &quot;portable media players&quot; will someday become completely anachronistic?  

Consider when TV&#039;s weren&#039;t just TV&#039;s but called &quot;color TVs.&quot;  And NBC always boasted: &quot;The following program is in living color.&quot;  Ooooo... color.... (That&#039;s where the NBC peacock actually comes from, young&#039;uns.)

These days you see production companies, game companies, and web sites with names boasting DIGITAL.  As in XYZ DIGITAL Video Corp.  and Digital Media Net and Digitalvideoediting.com.   Ooooooo... digital.  Like somebody remembers analog. (Whatever happened to that company &quot;Color Video Productions Inc,&quot; anyway?)

So now we have portable media players.... Oooooo... portable.  Or maybe I&#039;ll just go listen to my MP3s and watch my jpegs on my &quot;non-portable&quot; media player instead.

And while I&#039;m on a roll: portable media PLAYERS?  Whatcha gonna do when they record for you?  As in field recording audio as MP3s or even video recording. Wait for it

Oh, what the heck: Media?  Media?  Do they mean Medium? Ok, then what&#039;s Multi-media?  Isn&#039;t media already multi being the plural?  And who needs to listen or watch these players anyway?  If it&#039;s all about some kind of esoteric communication, then isn&#039;t &quot;the medium is the message&quot;? 

And is this really &quot;Dvorak Uncensored?&quot; Maybe you mean &quot;Dvorak Mostly Uncensored?&quot;  I smell class-action suit... And how pretentious is it not to have an &quot;a&quot; between the &quot;D&quot; and &quot;v&quot; of &quot;Dvorak?&quot;  Wh tlks lke tht? And why... oh, wait... there&#039;s some lint in my bellybutton....

RBG

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the tag &#8220;portable media players&#8221; will someday become completely anachronistic?  </p>
<p>Consider when TV&#8217;s weren&#8217;t just TV&#8217;s but called &#8220;color TVs.&#8221;  And NBC always boasted: &#8220;The following program is in living color.&#8221;  Ooooo&#8230; color&#8230;. (That&#8217;s where the NBC peacock actually comes from, young&#8217;uns.)</p>
<p>These days you see production companies, game companies, and web sites with names boasting DIGITAL.  As in XYZ DIGITAL Video Corp.  and Digital Media Net and Digitalvideoediting.com.   Ooooooo&#8230; digital.  Like somebody remembers analog. (Whatever happened to that company &#8220;Color Video Productions Inc,&#8221; anyway?)</p>
<p>So now we have portable media players&#8230;. Oooooo&#8230; portable.  Or maybe I&#8217;ll just go listen to my MP3s and watch my jpegs on my &#8220;non-portable&#8221; media player instead.</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m on a roll: portable media PLAYERS?  Whatcha gonna do when they record for you?  As in field recording audio as MP3s or even video recording. Wait for it</p>
<p>Oh, what the heck: Media?  Media?  Do they mean Medium? Ok, then what&#8217;s Multi-media?  Isn&#8217;t media already multi being the plural?  And who needs to listen or watch these players anyway?  If it&#8217;s all about some kind of esoteric communication, then isn&#8217;t &#8220;the medium is the message&#8221;? </p>
<p>And is this really &#8220;Dvorak Uncensored?&#8221; Maybe you mean &#8220;Dvorak Mostly Uncensored?&#8221;  I smell class-action suit&#8230; And how pretentious is it not to have an &#8220;a&#8221; between the &#8220;D&#8221; and &#8220;v&#8221; of &#8220;Dvorak?&#8221;  Wh tlks lke tht? And why&#8230; oh, wait&#8230; there&#8217;s some lint in my bellybutton&#8230;.</p>
<p>RBG</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve- thanks for the review. This does look like a great device, too bad I just got a new Sandisk player, or I wouldve bought this one. Great review, nicely detailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve- thanks for the review. This does look like a great device, too bad I just got a new Sandisk player, or I wouldve bought this one. Great review, nicely detailed.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a very cool device. I&#039;m gonna wait a year or so and get a MID.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very cool device. I&#8217;m gonna wait a year or so and get a MID.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2x5e6h" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/2x5e6h' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2x5e6h</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery A. Haremski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffery A. Haremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review, and it does sound like a great device.  Unfortunately, my experience with Creative is the same as #2&#039;s (Dauragon88) so I&#039;m a bit gun shy.  Though this one is tempting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review, and it does sound like a great device.  Unfortunately, my experience with Creative is the same as #2&#8242;s (Dauragon88) so I&#8217;m a bit gun shy.  Though this one is tempting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: morram</title>
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		<dc:creator>morram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have in my pockets is a few coins and my bike key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have in my pockets is a few coins and my bike key.</p>
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