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	<title>Comments on: Oranges can feed the grid as well as your belly</title>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/24/oranges-can-feed-the-grid-as-well-as-your-belly/comment-page-1/#comment-720558</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oranges grow in California????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oranges grow in California????????????</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/24/oranges-can-feed-the-grid-as-well-as-your-belly/comment-page-1/#comment-720137</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11, Angel

Can you picture 
“Put a Twinkie in your tank”?

(Oh god, I kill myself sometimes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, Angel</p>
<p>Can you picture<br />
“Put a Twinkie in your tank”?</p>
<p>(Oh god, I kill myself sometimes)</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/24/oranges-can-feed-the-grid-as-well-as-your-belly/comment-page-1/#comment-720066</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... Does this mean we&#039;ll see Chevron Brand orange juice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; Does this mean we&#8217;ll see Chevron Brand orange juice?</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/24/oranges-can-feed-the-grid-as-well-as-your-belly/comment-page-1/#comment-720021</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can i point an interesting concept to you folks....

Any organic mater can be converted, to methane or ethanol...
Your lawn clippings, which are mostly grain plants...
The shavings from Potato processing...

why are they trying to Focus on 1 Plant...USe them ALL...
We could cut down on Garbage by about 60-80%...EASY..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can i point an interesting concept to you folks&#8230;.</p>
<p>Any organic mater can be converted, to methane or ethanol&#8230;<br />
Your lawn clippings, which are mostly grain plants&#8230;<br />
The shavings from Potato processing&#8230;</p>
<p>why are they trying to Focus on 1 Plant&#8230;USe them ALL&#8230;<br />
We could cut down on Garbage by about 60-80%&#8230;EASY..</p>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/07/24/oranges-can-feed-the-grid-as-well-as-your-belly/comment-page-1/#comment-719902</link>
		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cellulosic ethanol is the holy grail of ethanol production. Theoretically, it would be much cheaper than gasoline without having to use up our food supply. 

But they have been talking about this crap for years just like they have with shale oil. Sounds like a sucker&#039;s play to me. I&#039;ll believe it when I see it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cellulosic ethanol is the holy grail of ethanol production. Theoretically, it would be much cheaper than gasoline without having to use up our food supply. </p>
<p>But they have been talking about this crap for years just like they have with shale oil. Sounds like a sucker&#8217;s play to me. I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6

Chances are that privacy advocate groups will complain and claim that the goverment will use the lawn grass to detect illegal drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6</p>
<p>Chances are that privacy advocate groups will complain and claim that the goverment will use the lawn grass to detect illegal drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as Florida Plunder and Loot keeps making money, my family is happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as Florida Plunder and Loot keeps making money, my family is happy.</p>
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		<title>By: hhopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawns in FL grow four inches a week.  There must be millions of tons of cut grass available each week to manufacture ethanol from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawns in FL grow four inches a week.  There must be millions of tons of cut grass available each week to manufacture ethanol from.</p>
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		<title>By: Sounds The Alarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sounds The Alarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4.

I agree multiple approaches are key, but corn is about the worst one.  The only reason its being used is the huge handouts from the G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4.</p>
<p>I agree multiple approaches are key, but corn is about the worst one.  The only reason its being used is the huge handouts from the G.</p>
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		<title>By: god</title>
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		<dc:creator>god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dudes, realize you&#039;re about as shortsighted as the corporate barons you complain about.

Yes, a percentage of agribiz operations will jump wholly into ethanol production because they see a short-term increase in profits over what they&#039;ve been producing.  Which drives up the prices - and opportunities - for the market items they dropped.

There are an expanded number of processes at work and sound enviros realize that multiple approaches to renewables are better than some magic bullet.

Cripes, can&#039;t you see any further down the road than Super Bowl?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dudes, realize you&#8217;re about as shortsighted as the corporate barons you complain about.</p>
<p>Yes, a percentage of agribiz operations will jump wholly into ethanol production because they see a short-term increase in profits over what they&#8217;ve been producing.  Which drives up the prices &#8211; and opportunities &#8211; for the market items they dropped.</p>
<p>There are an expanded number of processes at work and sound enviros realize that multiple approaches to renewables are better than some magic bullet.</p>
<p>Cripes, can&#8217;t you see any further down the road than Super Bowl?</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2--Its worse than that.  Would you agree that corn based ethanol is nothing more than a corporate ripoff/welfare scheme?

But you have cystralized for me the concept that diverting FOOD into gas really is a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2&#8211;Its worse than that.  Would you agree that corn based ethanol is nothing more than a corporate ripoff/welfare scheme?</p>
<p>But you have cystralized for me the concept that diverting FOOD into gas really is a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: ArianeB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArianeB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using orange peel for ethanol makes more sense than turning corn into ethanol. 
Sorry to say that ethanol is not the salvation of our energy problems, in fact it may make things worse.  The cost of grain is already going way up making food more expensive. Ethanol actually makes the air worse and it is not nearly as efficient a fuel as ordinary gas.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/56047/ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using orange peel for ethanol makes more sense than turning corn into ethanol.<br />
Sorry to say that ethanol is not the salvation of our energy problems, in fact it may make things worse.  The cost of grain is already going way up making food more expensive. Ethanol actually makes the air worse and it is not nearly as efficient a fuel as ordinary gas.<br />
<a href="http://www.alternet.org/environment/56047/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.alternet.org/environment/56047/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.alternet.org/environment/56047/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there are no governmental subsidies - - good to see cellulosic waste turned into a resource.  Bravo.  Hope the &quot;other&quot; organic sources would include yard waste and such?

Anybody know:

What was done with the citrus peels before?  I assume they were turned into mulch.

What is the remaining waste after the peels have been processed?  Again I assume multch?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there are no governmental subsidies &#8211; - good to see cellulosic waste turned into a resource.  Bravo.  Hope the &#8220;other&#8221; organic sources would include yard waste and such?</p>
<p>Anybody know:</p>
<p>What was done with the citrus peels before?  I assume they were turned into mulch.</p>
<p>What is the remaining waste after the peels have been processed?  Again I assume multch?</p>
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