Comments on: Electronic Voting Machines — A National Disgrace http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:19:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TIHZ_HO http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-737807 TIHZ_HO Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:54:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-737807 # 24 parick "...I don’t care what system is used, stupid people will always screw it up." Which is one of the reasons China hasn't moved over to free elections yet. America proves time and time again that free elections are still in beta after all this time with its two party system. Add more parties and you get Britian, Italy etc. People really need to get involved with their country in as much as they do with sports. If they don't well as Thomas Jefferson said "People get the government they deserve." So stop whining and complaining and do something about it! ;) Cheers # 24 parick “…I don’t care what system is used, stupid people will always screw it up.”

Which is one of the reasons China hasn’t moved over to free elections yet.

America proves time and time again that free elections are still in beta after all this time with its two party system. Add more parties and you get Britian, Italy etc.

People really need to get involved with their country in as much as they do with sports. If they don’t well as Thomas Jefferson said “People get the government they deserve.” So stop whining and complaining and do something about it! ;)

Cheers

]]> By: tallwookie http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-737429 tallwookie Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:39:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-737429 Soooooooo glad I never started voting - I saw it for the corrupted evil that it is. Voting is Evil. Bring Back the Monarchy. Bring Back Fiefdom. Soooooooo glad I never started voting – I saw it for the corrupted evil that it is.

Voting is Evil.

Bring Back the Monarchy.

Bring Back Fiefdom.

]]> By: parick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-737353 parick Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:31:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-737353 1st people bitch because they can't figure out how to punch a hole next to the right name. Now, we want these same idiots to use a computer system? I don't care what system is used, stupid people will always screw it up. 1st people bitch because they can’t figure out how to punch a hole next to the right name. Now, we want these same idiots to use a computer system? I don’t care what system is used, stupid people will always screw it up.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-736649 pedro Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:09:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736649 #22 that's when people like Sean Penn come to play. They show the most bizarre view of the US. Unable to do it right in his own ground, yet goes to places where thugs are 10 times worse and not only supports the local goons, but goes to say that the US should be that way. Oh, brother! what a grim future the US has. #22 that’s when people like Sean Penn come to play. They show the most bizarre view of the US. Unable to do it right in his own ground, yet goes to places where thugs are 10 times worse and not only supports the local goons, but goes to say that the US should be that way.

Oh, brother! what a grim future the US has.

]]> By: TIHZ_HO http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-736613 TIHZ_HO Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:34:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736613 In the photo it looks like they are lined up at the urinals. Was that intentional, meaning the US voting system is being pissed away? #4 If the voting machines are made by Diebold then yes, they are using a modded up version of Windows XP. They wanted to use a Mac but they are too expensive for what you get. :P #6 "The biggest disgrace is the fact that other countries can get this right. Why can’t we?" I was working in Jakarta, Indonesia at the time Indonesians were preparing for their first free election after Suharto. About the same time America had the Bush election Florida re-count and the fiasco that followed. To the Indonesians this was the funniest thing ever!!! They had the same fiascos with Suharto and his "free" elections. I don't know how many times I was asked "Are Americans THAT stupid?" and I had to agree. I guess its the same old story "Those who can do, do and those who can't point the way" This Florida re-count fiasco proved to the Indonesians that they were correct on how the viewed America. And that is here is America always sticking its nose into everyone's business, telling them how wrong they are, and how its supposed to be done when America itself can't even do it and get it right. What a hoot!!! Cheers In the photo it looks like they are lined up at the urinals.

Was that intentional, meaning the US voting system is being pissed away?

#4 If the voting machines are made by Diebold then yes, they are using a modded up version of Windows XP. They wanted to use a Mac but they are too expensive for what you get. :P

#6 “The biggest disgrace is the fact that other countries can get this right. Why can’t we?”

I was working in Jakarta, Indonesia at the time Indonesians were preparing for their first free election after Suharto. About the same time America had the Bush election Florida re-count and the fiasco that followed.

To the Indonesians this was the funniest thing ever!!! They had the same fiascos with Suharto and his “free” elections. I don’t know how many times I was asked “Are Americans THAT stupid?” and I had to agree.

I guess its the same old story “Those who can do, do and those who can’t point the way”

This Florida re-count fiasco proved to the Indonesians that they were correct on how the viewed America. And that is here is America always sticking its nose into everyone’s business, telling them how wrong they are, and how its supposed to be done when America itself can’t even do it and get it right.

What a hoot!!!

Cheers

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-2/#comment-736260 ECA Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:19:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736260 What I find Heinous, Is how much these folks are making PER UNIT... For a small bit of programming.. What I find Heinous,
Is how much these folks are making PER UNIT…
For a small bit of programming..

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-736252 ECA Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:14:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736252 19, LARGE?? you should look at the past...They Bought and PAID for them. MORE expensive, yes...But we are talking about a group of folks that DONT care about YOUR money, because 19,
LARGE??
you should look at the past…They Bought and PAID for them.
MORE expensive, yes…But we are talking about a group of folks that DONT care about YOUR money, because

]]> By: Johnson http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-736177 Johnson Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:55:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736177 I have worked the polls 30+years and I have seen every system tampered with. By both sides. That being said the paper and pencil method was harder to rig on a large scale. I have worked the polls 30+years and I have seen every system tampered with. By both sides. That being said the paper and pencil method was harder to rig on a large scale.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-736124 Mr. Fusion Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:06:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736124 #10, Awake, Very sensible idea. #10, Awake,

Very sensible idea.

]]> By: Uncle Dave http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-736094 Uncle Dave Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:39:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736094 #17: Might as well be, considering the articles. Pissing on our vote sounds about right. #17: Might as well be, considering the articles. Pissing on our vote sounds about right.

]]> By: sayuncle http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-736059 sayuncle Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:04:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-736059 That photo, are you certain those aren't urnals? That photo, are you certain those aren’t urnals?

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-735932 ECA Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:05:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-735932 14, another problem we have is that the East coast has many more voters then the West coast... On the west coast they only look at 2-3 states Added to the East coast to decide the election.. I would love the electoral to be 1 per state...At least THEN, the farming states would have an affect on the out come. 14,
another problem we have is that the East coast has many more voters then the West coast…
On the west coast they only look at 2-3 states Added to the East coast to decide the election..
I would love the electoral to be 1 per state…At least THEN, the farming states would have an affect on the out come.

]]> By: joshua http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-735732 joshua Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:13:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-735732 Any machine can hacked if you allow unfettered and freedom of time contraints to the hackers. The part of this report that seems not to have made the news is that is exactly how the Secretary of States office did this study. She hints at it in her statement..... *****It did not deal with any physical security measures that counties might take and “made no assumptions about constraints on the attackers,'’ Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a telephone news conference Friday.******** >>>>>>but thats all she said publicly. I have worked the polls here in California the last 3 elections, and the biggest problem we had was the paper ballot rolls would run out to soon and poll workers who slept through the classes on how to run the machines, screwed them up....causing machines to be turned off until fixed or replaced. Alameda county, a solid Democratic county choose to buy Diebold machines and had many problems, but in the end, not a single lost vote(that i heard of). The Sec. of State is new this year, it will be her first election and she was a party hack before becoming Sec. of State....I honestly don't think she would know an honest election if it kicked her in the ass.....but that my opinion. I think Saturday voting would lower the turnout even more. It should be a 2 day process, east of the Mississippi on 1 day, west of the Mississippi the next. No projected winners allowed from exit polling. All votes have a paper back up....ID required to vote....paid for by the state if needed.....polls open from 6a.m. to 12 a.m.....poll workers paid by experience as well as a decent wage for being there. Any machine can hacked if you allow unfettered and freedom of time contraints to the hackers. The part of this report that seems not to have made the news is that is exactly how the Secretary of States office did this study.
She hints at it in her statement…..

*****It did not deal with any physical security measures that counties might take and “made no assumptions about constraints on the attackers,’’ Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a telephone news conference Friday.********

>>>>>>but thats all she said publicly.
I have worked the polls here in California the last 3 elections, and the biggest problem we had was the paper ballot rolls would run out to soon and poll workers who slept through the classes on how to run the machines, screwed them up….causing machines to be turned off until fixed or replaced. Alameda county, a solid Democratic county choose to buy Diebold machines and had many problems, but in the end, not a single lost vote(that i heard of).
The Sec. of State is new this year, it will be her first election and she was a party hack before becoming Sec. of State….I honestly don’t think she would know an honest election if it kicked her in the ass…..but that my opinion.

I think Saturday voting would lower the turnout even more. It should be a 2 day process, east of the Mississippi on 1 day, west of the Mississippi the next. No projected winners allowed from exit polling. All votes have a paper back up….ID required to vote….paid for by the state if needed…..polls open from 6a.m. to 12 a.m…..poll workers paid by experience as well as a decent wage for being there.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-735730 ECA Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:12:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-735730 What amazes me, is HOW they make programming this so complicated.. they could use VPC, and program in any form they wished... they could make it Post the WHOLE article, or just the Pro/con... They could even put in an English translator to simplify the TEXT, so it could be read by a 3rd grader(maybe not).. Then Lock down the system ports, and run a Program to monitors the Checksum of the program, for tampering or insertion of ANy modifications... ALL the Data on the Bills is available 3-4 months AHEAD of the vote... these machine could be ready 4-6 weeks after they were published, and LOCKED down. What amazes me, is HOW they make programming this so complicated..

they could use VPC, and program in any form they wished…
they could make it Post the WHOLE article, or just the Pro/con…
They could even put in an English translator to simplify the TEXT, so it could be read by a 3rd grader(maybe not)..

Then Lock down the system ports, and run a Program to monitors the Checksum of the program, for tampering or insertion of ANy modifications…

ALL the Data on the Bills is available 3-4 months AHEAD of the vote… these machine could be ready 4-6 weeks after they were published, and LOCKED down.

]]> By: moss http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/electronic-voting-machines-a-national-disgrace/comment-page-1/#comment-735638 moss Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:29:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13011#comment-735638 #3 - you may be confusing credit management, mortgage sales - with for-real banking. At least in the States, there is nothing more over-scrutinized than banking. It was banking IT that sorted out millenium problems so well that people joke about it as a non-event - without knowing a jot about what the banking industry did to sort the whole thing out in advance - in triplicate. Which is "how" it became a non-event. The same goes for real online security systems. Sure, human/social engineering will happen. That's still in the hands of dodo consumers. But, the banking end - with banks that actually live up to the regs - is solid. Banks that don't? Well, then, you're back to administrative and social questions - not design. #3 – you may be confusing credit management, mortgage sales – with for-real banking. At least in the States, there is nothing more over-scrutinized than banking.

It was banking IT that sorted out millenium problems so well that people joke about it as a non-event – without knowing a jot about what the banking industry did to sort the whole thing out in advance – in triplicate. Which is “how” it became a non-event.

The same goes for real online security systems. Sure, human/social engineering will happen. That’s still in the hands of dodo consumers. But, the banking end – with banks that actually live up to the regs – is solid.

Banks that don’t? Well, then, you’re back to administrative and social questions – not design.

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