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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re Giving Saudi Arabia Billions In Arms Because&#8230; Um, What&#8217;s The Reason Again?</title>
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		<title>By: tallwookie</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-737430</link>
		<dc:creator>tallwookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more guns. woot
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more guns. woot</p>
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		<title>By: iGlobalWarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-737187</link>
		<dc:creator>iGlobalWarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m too tired to respond to the article as it doesn&#039;t stir me up enough.  Your W&#039;s just gave me an idea to toss off a response to the reflexive &quot;everything W does is bad&quot; tone of the thread.  ( speaking of same old, same old - Bush bashing is a great example.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m too tired to respond to the article as it doesn&#8217;t stir me up enough.  Your W&#8217;s just gave me an idea to toss off a response to the reflexive &#8220;everything W does is bad&#8221; tone of the thread.  ( speaking of same old, same old &#8211; Bush bashing is a great example.)</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-737144</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27 - iGW,

&lt;i&gt;(BTW, I did read the article.)&lt;/i&gt;

Really? But your post did not indicate anything about it and made statements about my post that had no relevance to my post. So, I thought it was natural to assume that you looked at my post and just saw W.

&lt;i&gt;You mean drivel like we’re all gonna die from global warming?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t say that in every post. In fact, I haven&#039;t mentioned the topic on this thread yet, other than to quote you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 &#8211; iGW,</p>
<p><i>(BTW, I did read the article.)</i></p>
<p>Really? But your post did not indicate anything about it and made statements about my post that had no relevance to my post. So, I thought it was natural to assume that you looked at my post and just saw W.</p>
<p><i>You mean drivel like we’re all gonna die from global warming?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t say that in every post. In fact, I haven&#8217;t mentioned the topic on this thread yet, other than to quote you here.</p>
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		<title>By: iGlobalWarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-737093</link>
		<dc:creator>iGlobalWarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean drivel like we&#039;re all gonna die from global warming?

(BTW, I did read the article.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean drivel like we&#8217;re all gonna die from global warming?</p>
<p>(BTW, I did read the article.)</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-737042</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 - iGW,

Thanks for taking the time to actually read my post. No wait. You didn&#039;t read any of it. You just saw my string of W&#039;s in response to a string of Clintons. Perhaps you should actually take the time to read a post before mocking it. Perhaps you should take the time to actually read something, anything, before you post the same old drivel every time you turn your computer on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 &#8211; iGW,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to actually read my post. No wait. You didn&#8217;t read any of it. You just saw my string of W&#8217;s in response to a string of Clintons. Perhaps you should actually take the time to read a post before mocking it. Perhaps you should take the time to actually read something, anything, before you post the same old drivel every time you turn your computer on.</p>
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		<title>By: iGlobalWarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-736920</link>
		<dc:creator>iGlobalWarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotts right - it&#039;s all W&#039;s fault.  Hell look at the retroactive Internet conspiracy:  Algore invented the thing but  websites all start with &quot;WWW&quot;.....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotts right &#8211; it&#8217;s all W&#8217;s fault.  Hell look at the retroactive Internet conspiracy:  Algore invented the thing but  websites all start with &#8220;WWW&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-736909</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the whole issue of why we went to war and the possibility that this was planned for more than 30 years, but only W actually did it. Just in case my prior post sounds a bit far-fetched to anyone.

http://tinyurl.com/6e5kt
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the whole issue of why we went to war and the possibility that this was planned for more than 30 years, but only W actually did it. Just in case my prior post sounds a bit far-fetched to anyone.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6e5kt" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/6e5kt' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/6e5kt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-736785</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 - MikeN,

If you&#039;re referring to my post, as it seems you are, my implications are:

1. &lt;strong&gt;The Saudis are not our friends.&lt;/strong&gt; 

(So, let&#039;s keep them at arms length, rather than keeping them armed.)

2. &lt;strong&gt;We did not go to war with Iraq over 9/11.&lt;/strong&gt; 

(Perhaps, just perhaps, it was for oil. Perhaps, this was first suggested by Kissinger in 1973 as a means of control, rather than for profit. Perhaps this was supported by &lt;strong&gt;every single presidential administration since then&lt;/strong&gt;, repugnican and democrap alike. Just perhaps.)

Does that clear up my sentiments?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 &#8211; MikeN,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re referring to my post, as it seems you are, my implications are:</p>
<p>1. <strong>The Saudis are not our friends.</strong> </p>
<p>(So, let&#8217;s keep them at arms length, rather than keeping them armed.)</p>
<p>2. <strong>We did not go to war with Iraq over 9/11.</strong> </p>
<p>(Perhaps, just perhaps, it was for oil. Perhaps, this was first suggested by Kissinger in 1973 as a means of control, rather than for profit. Perhaps this was supported by <strong>every single presidential administration since then</strong>, repugnican and democrap alike. Just perhaps.)</p>
<p>Does that clear up my sentiments?</p>
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		<title>By: Atomic Bitchwax</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-2/#comment-736770</link>
		<dc:creator>Atomic Bitchwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Trying not to be obnoxious about this (and somewhat failing), you are aware that W W W W W W W W W W W&lt;/i&gt;\

You missed my point.  No offense taken. 

I was merely pointing out that a neocon cheerleader made a post but forgot to use the mandatory word &quot;clinton&quot;. 

&quot;Global warming&quot;............... CLINTON!
9/11.................... CLINTON
warrantless wiretaps........... CLINTON

blah blah blah. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Trying not to be obnoxious about this (and somewhat failing), you are aware that W W W W W W W W W W W</i>\</p>
<p>You missed my point.  No offense taken. </p>
<p>I was merely pointing out that a neocon cheerleader made a post but forgot to use the mandatory word &#8220;clinton&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8220;Global warming&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; CLINTON!<br />
9/11&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. CLINTON<br />
warrantless wiretaps&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. CLINTON</p>
<p>blah blah blah.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You compared the number of Saudis to Iraqis and Afghanis.  The US is currently at war with the other two, so I think that&#039;s the implications of your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You compared the number of Saudis to Iraqis and Afghanis.  The US is currently at war with the other two, so I think that&#8217;s the implications of your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-1/#comment-736717</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 - Atomic Bitchwax,

Trying not to be obnoxious about this (and somewhat failing), you are aware that W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W was in office for 9 months when 9/11 happened, right?

Clinton was in office like Iraqis were on the planes.

But, other than that, yes, every American administration in recent history has helped to arm our enemies to the teeth. As we continue to burn oil (and fight for it) rather than spending our money on renewable energy, we also continue to arm terrorists. The money they use to buy arms and bombs comes from oil.

If we really want to disarm the region, let&#039;s go to solar, wind, tidal, and other energy sources. Then the entire Middle East can slip back into the obscurity it so richly deserves. And, they won&#039;t be able to afford to buy the weapons here or anywhere else.

And then I woke up. Dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 &#8211; Atomic Bitchwax,</p>
<p>Trying not to be obnoxious about this (and somewhat failing), you are aware that W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W was in office for 9 months when 9/11 happened, right?</p>
<p>Clinton was in office like Iraqis were on the planes.</p>
<p>But, other than that, yes, every American administration in recent history has helped to arm our enemies to the teeth. As we continue to burn oil (and fight for it) rather than spending our money on renewable energy, we also continue to arm terrorists. The money they use to buy arms and bombs comes from oil.</p>
<p>If we really want to disarm the region, let&#8217;s go to solar, wind, tidal, and other energy sources. Then the entire Middle East can slip back into the obscurity it so richly deserves. And, they won&#8217;t be able to afford to buy the weapons here or anywhere else.</p>
<p>And then I woke up. Dang.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomic Bitchwax</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-1/#comment-736537</link>
		<dc:creator>Atomic Bitchwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There were so many Saudi’s because Bin Laden is Saudi and his primary recruiting point wasn’t Israel or Iraq, but that the US had troops on Saudi soil. &lt;/i&gt;

You forgot to say &quot;Clinton&quot;. 

Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There were so many Saudi’s because Bin Laden is Saudi and his primary recruiting point wasn’t Israel or Iraq, but that the US had troops on Saudi soil. </i></p>
<p>You forgot to say &#8220;Clinton&#8221;. </p>
<p>Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton</p>
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		<title>By: jlm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in 10 years or so we will get to destroy those toys when the country we gave them to turns on us. History repeats itself when ignorant leaders dont learn from the past</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in 10 years or so we will get to destroy those toys when the country we gave them to turns on us. History repeats itself when ignorant leaders dont learn from the past</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/08/05/were-giving-saudi-arabia-billions-in-arms-because-um-whats-the-reason-again/comment-page-1/#comment-736470</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 - MikeN &amp; #14 - Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo®,

Actually, my post was implying that at least 17 Saudis were behind 9/11. 16 in aircraft plus Osama bin Forgotten himself. Yes. He&#039;s Saudi too.

This does not mean that the Saudi government was behind it. In fact, the correct place to put the blame is, as it so often but not always is, on religion.

On 9/11, god blessed America. Let&#039;s hope s/he leaves us the fuck alone for a while now.

Anyone who does not believe this is deliberately ignoring the words of the man behind the attacks. Osama bin Laden will tell you in no uncertain terms that he is following the words of the Quran to the letter.

This is one of the reasons that he has such support. He is a wealthy educated man leading a meager lifestyle and fighting the infidels.

The Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology does not promote peace.

Anyway, all of this is a tad off-topic. The real topic is that we&#039;re yet again arming a militant extremist third world country with no history of democracy or of recognition of human rights. Last time it was a secular totalitarian government; this time it&#039;s a true full-blown theocracy.

This can&#039;t be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 &#8211; MikeN &amp; #14 &#8211; Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo®,</p>
<p>Actually, my post was implying that at least 17 Saudis were behind 9/11. 16 in aircraft plus Osama bin Forgotten himself. Yes. He&#8217;s Saudi too.</p>
<p>This does not mean that the Saudi government was behind it. In fact, the correct place to put the blame is, as it so often but not always is, on religion.</p>
<p>On 9/11, god blessed America. Let&#8217;s hope s/he leaves us the fuck alone for a while now.</p>
<p>Anyone who does not believe this is deliberately ignoring the words of the man behind the attacks. Osama bin Laden will tell you in no uncertain terms that he is following the words of the Quran to the letter.</p>
<p>This is one of the reasons that he has such support. He is a wealthy educated man leading a meager lifestyle and fighting the infidels.</p>
<p>The Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology does not promote peace.</p>
<p>Anyway, all of this is a tad off-topic. The real topic is that we&#8217;re yet again arming a militant extremist third world country with no history of democracy or of recognition of human rights. Last time it was a secular totalitarian government; this time it&#8217;s a true full-blown theocracy.</p>
<p>This can&#8217;t be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

We didn&#039;t &quot;Give&quot; the hardware the to Saudis. We SOLD it to them, for money. However, we do GIVE hardware to Egypt and Israel, directly or indirectly (through grants).

So in a round-about way, the Saudis are paying for Israeli military hardware.

As for the Saudi involvement in 9/11. bin Laden was not a Saudi citizen before 9/11. Saudi Arabia had revoked his citizenship because of his terrorist activities. Saudi Arabia is not blameless. They allowed their religious nutters to &quot;go nuts&quot; and gave them way too much leeway. Still do, but to a lesser degree, today.

Afghanistan (and Pakistan) carry the responsibility for hosting Al Quida   in their lands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t &#8220;Give&#8221; the hardware the to Saudis. We SOLD it to them, for money. However, we do GIVE hardware to Egypt and Israel, directly or indirectly (through grants).</p>
<p>So in a round-about way, the Saudis are paying for Israeli military hardware.</p>
<p>As for the Saudi involvement in 9/11. bin Laden was not a Saudi citizen before 9/11. Saudi Arabia had revoked his citizenship because of his terrorist activities. Saudi Arabia is not blameless. They allowed their religious nutters to &#8220;go nuts&#8221; and gave them way too much leeway. Still do, but to a lesser degree, today.</p>
<p>Afghanistan (and Pakistan) carry the responsibility for hosting Al Quida   in their lands.</p>
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