Comments on: Judge strikes down parts of Patriot Act – Version 2.0

By: Misanthropic Scott

Misanthropic Scott — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:16:51 +0000

#22 – sayuncle,

You answered your own question. The gutless Democraps are too gutless to fight the Repugnicans. And, the Democraps killed the Liberal party and made liberal a bad word, so there is no one else.

On freedom and liberty issues, liberals and libertarians are in complete agreement and need to band together.

By: sayuncle

sayuncle — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:43:00 +0000

So, why are judges having to do what the gutless democrats should have done?

By: doug

doug — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:01:31 +0000

#19. The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures.”

If a search or seizure is unreasonable, a judge is obligated to call it so. If a legislative enactment could be construed to authorize such unreasonable searches, he is obligated to call it so, particularly in a case where the DoJ’s own inspector found that “that the bureau had often used the letters improperly and sometimes illegally.”

It is “writs of assistance” all over again – the 18th Century British practice that the Fourth Amendment was directed at.

By: nightstar

nightstar — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:52:18 +0000

#15 “So far the system of checks and balances appears to be working.”

How are executive orders checked or balanced sans impeachment?

By: MikeN

MikeN — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:46:32 +0000

>he feared the law could be the first step in a series of intrusions into the role of the judiciary that would be “the legislative equivalent of breaking and entering,

That is supposed to be logical impartial reasoning? Voting your fears.

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:21:56 +0000

#17 Ah yes, the good old days when I was that drunken sailor….

By: grog

grog — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:15:59 +0000

#10, #12 & #14 good points — i will refer in the future to neocons

actually most conservatives i know are level-headed and are appalled by GW’s outrageous spending sprees, and disregard for constitutionally encoded liberties and protections

my one buddy quipped that GW gives drunken sailors a bad name.

heh.

By: Mister Mustard

Mister Mustard — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:44:11 +0000

>>So far the system of checks and balances appears to be working.

Wait a while. Little King Georgie’s boys haven’t filed the appeals yet. They’ll do everything in their power to strip our rights from us, if it kills them.

By: KVolk

KVolk — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:41:02 +0000

So far the system of checks and balances appears to be working.

By: Misanthropic Scott

Misanthropic Scott — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:38:44 +0000

#10 – MM,

Excellent point Musty. True conservatives don’t want change. There are precious few of those around. In fact, it is possible that in times when liberals have gotten what they wanted, that liberal and conservative would be synonymous. Has that ever happened? Probably not.

Anyway, neocons are reactionaries. They are trying to set the economy back to the good old days of unbridled capitalism, circa 1890, while simultaneously trying to set human rights back even further. On education though, they want that to go all the way back to around 1100AD.

Fun times to come.

By: Mr. Fusion

Mr. Fusion — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:33:21 +0000

This is a good decision by the Judge. In having these rulings stand, however, is not the further arguments that will be put forward during the appeals, but how well the Judge wrote his decision. If he based it upon law AND reason, then it becomes that much harder to overrule. A ruling that quotes the Constitution and past errors by courts (with their corrections) will stand a better chance of success.

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:10:36 +0000

#9 Grog, You constantly confuse conservatives with some other types. I am conservative but I don’t want the Patriot Act (I or II). I don’t want warrantless wiretaps and I sure as hell do not want to give up any of my rights, not one.

By: BubbaRay

BubbaRay — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:04:08 +0000

#8, Mr. Mustard — let’s hope that are more like Judge Marrero and, like Neo, can whip the absolute jeebers out of feds like “Agent Smith!” Remember, there is no spoon.

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By: Mister Mustard

Mister Mustard — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:01:06 +0000

>>i can only assume that is what conservatives want, because
>>they simply can’t wait to give up their rights and liberties

Well, that may be what conservatives want (I haven’t seen any around in quite a while; do they still exist?).

What NEOCONS are most interested in though, is taking away the rights and liberties from the rest of us. Against our will.

By: grog

grog — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:39:22 +0000

#7 you’ll never get your liberty back once you relinquish it — once liberty is lost, the great experiment fails and the republic is no more.

i can only assume that is what conservatives want, because they simply can’t wait to give up their rights and liberties — they seem to believe that the government would never turn on them.