Climate Change : Yahoo! Green — If this is remotely true I can just imagine the future. “Daddy, I heard that years ago they burned that icky oil for energy.” “It’s true, son. What were they thinking. hahahahaha.”
ERIE, Pa. – An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the “most remarkable” water science discovery in a century.
John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.
The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.
Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.
The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.
The discovery is “the most remarkable in water science in 100 years,” Roy said.
“This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere,” Roy said. “Seeing it burn gives me the chills.”
This begs the question. How do you put out a water fire?
found by Wild Bill Reising
This is debunked in ‘The Skeptics Guide to the Universe’,
show #103
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive.asp
#20 Wow, the skeptics have figured out retro-causality now, eh? Given that the show was on 7/11, and this latest info is from this month, that’s quite a trick. Call me skeptical, but I doubt they were basing their debunking on the latest info. . . .
2 – Not exactly. Some chemicals/elements will combine with water in an exothermal reaction, sodium for one.
We need someone up on chemistry.
Browns gas is old news. William Rhodes filed patent for a process to electrolyze water into this stuff in 1962.
#14, Mr. (ex-cold) Fusion — Some great reading for the three minutes I wasted.
Darn, the BubbaRay® endorsement for a link usually stands for quality, entertainment and exploration, not “wasted time.” Well, I never pretended to be a chemist, that’s John’s old job… Forgive me this one time.
You could give it a shot, yours are usually pretty good!
Cripes!
Submarines use oxygen generators to produce O2 from seawater via electrolysis.
1. Place seawater into an evaporative distiller – pump the concentrated brine overboard, and run the distilled water through a de-ionizer [H-OH resin] filter to get “DI water”.
2. Place DI water into electrolysis cells of the oxygen generator – affectionately called “The Bomb” – add a little potassium hydroxide for conductivity, and run a shitload of electrical current through the cell…
et voila… Hydrogen and Oxygen disassociate, with pure Hydrogen going toward one electrode, and pure Oxygen toward the other.
3. Vent hydrogen overboard – through a diffuser – and send Oxygen to the storage tanks.
The ones in my day were called “the Bomb”, because it took much less energy to re-combine O2 and H2 than it took to cause them to disassociate.
So, if anything went wrong while the generator was running, there was a possibility of explosive re-combination…
O2 generators were the only piece of equipment on submarines which had Emergency Shutdown switches nearby… so the guy on watch could hit the switch as he ran away, no matter which way he ran.
And so these clowns want to use RF to disassociate water, just so they can re-combine it again via combustion???
#7 – JoaoPT – You’re supposed to have some degree in Geology or Chemical Engineering…
Nope, he’s just a good ol’ opinion machine!
“…This begs the question. How do you put out a water fire?…”
Dirt.
Of course water can combust!
That’s why they use foam on REALLY hot fires. Otherwise the Hydrogen and Oxygen split and you end up FEEDING the flames.
#25, Bubba,
It is a quality site when viewed it with your warning in mind. I don’t think these sites realize just how humorous they are simply because they so fervently believe they are right. It is quite possible that crackpots like these are what Mustard refers to when he suggests some view science as a religion.
BTW, you have yet to disappoint me with any of your links.
Hey hellooooooo, look up browns gas a wonderful way to cut metals and the jewellery people know all about the water flame, they just use a differnet approach to splitting h2o
Does it really matter that it takes more energy to break apart the H and O? The whole concept is to not use oil. It does take energy to make gas, about 10x energy more than breaking down water. Its just energy from the earth itself, not energy from us (except to extract and refine). So gas is low energy output when you look at the whole picture.