Comments on: Microsoft Admits It Screwed Up — SP1 Will Replace Vista With XP http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:40:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brad Freeman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-3/#comment-794614 Brad Freeman Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:12:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-794614 Did anyone else notice the Macintosh on Bill Gates desk in the background? Did anyone else notice the Macintosh on Bill Gates desk in the background?

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-3/#comment-794083 ECA Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:47:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-794083 I AM NOT A BETA TESTER... ANd IF I BUY an OS....I DONT WANT BETA... I want a FIANL product that WORKS, for what I WANT. Even a Office could deal with win3.11, and do pretty well. I remember the days of playing and fudging my computer to DO what I wanted...TRY it now... It isnt any better. PRETTY windows, ISNT a sell-able item to a person that KNOWS computers. I get REAL pissed off trying to figure out WHAt windows is doing, and HOW its doing it, and WHERE they put the controls. I dont know Why they dont use a decent DIR base. Drivers, in a DRIVERS DIR and in that a section for PRINTERS, Networks, AUDIO, VIDEO, and so forth... THen keep ALL the other CRAP out of Windows, and FORCE them to install there drivers IN THERE OWN DIR at the location ON THE DRIVE, then place a link in the reg to find it WHEN the program is run, NOT BEFORE, Sitting in the BACK taking up space, and NEVER used. I AM NOT A BETA TESTER…
ANd IF I BUY an OS….I DONT WANT BETA… I want a FIANL product that WORKS, for what I WANT.

Even a Office could deal with win3.11, and do pretty well.
I remember the days of playing and fudging my computer to DO what I wanted…TRY it now… It isnt any better.
PRETTY windows, ISNT a sell-able item to a person that KNOWS computers.
I get REAL pissed off trying to figure out WHAt windows is doing, and HOW its doing it, and WHERE they put the controls.
I dont know Why they dont use a decent DIR base. Drivers, in a DRIVERS DIR and in that a section for PRINTERS, Networks, AUDIO, VIDEO, and so forth…
THen keep ALL the other CRAP out of Windows, and FORCE them to install there drivers IN THERE OWN DIR at the location ON THE DRIVE, then place a link in the reg to find it WHEN the program is run, NOT BEFORE, Sitting in the BACK taking up space, and NEVER used.

]]> By: Universal http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-794044 Universal Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:54:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-794044 If only this were true, I've removed Vista from my desktop but unfortunately am forced to use it on my new T7300 2Ghz based Acer notebook (no XP drivers available) which brings it's performance below my 2 year old M750 1.8GHz based IBM T43!! Zero benefits as far as I'm concerned. If only this were true, I’ve removed Vista from my desktop but unfortunately am forced to use it on my new T7300 2Ghz based Acer notebook (no XP drivers available) which brings it’s performance below my 2 year old M750 1.8GHz based IBM T43!! Zero benefits as far as I’m concerned.

]]> By: Bob Crofoot http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793871 Bob Crofoot Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:57:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793871 I must be one of those really stupid people that's mentioned in some of the posts. Some people just can't learn, I guess. I mean, I got started computing in college in the late 1960's with FORTRAN programming, worked as an applications and systems programmer for GE and IBM, bought my first home computer in 1986 -- an IBM PCjr. I updated to a Windows95 system in 1995, and to a WinXP in 2001. But, in spite of all this, and the fact that I was the president of my local IBM comtuter club for 2 years, I just could never get my new Vista-based laptop to run properly last April. It was a really pretty machine, a Dell E1505, and the VISTA screen also was really pretty. Too bad I could never get it to do what I wanted it to do in a smooth manner. Nor could the Dell techs, either, in the half-dozen calls I had to make. Ease of use is one thing, I guess, but the fact that neither I nor Dell could get me connected to my e-mail via the wireless caused me to give it all up as a bad deal. Dell was very good about taking the computer back and refunding all my money. According to one tech manager I spoke with, they were getting a tremendous number of outraged complaints from customers about Vista, so I guess Dell was used to refunding by the time I got mine. I must be one of those really stupid people that’s mentioned in some of the posts. Some people just can’t learn, I guess. I mean, I got started computing in college in the late 1960′s with FORTRAN programming, worked as an applications and systems programmer for GE and IBM, bought my first home computer in 1986 — an IBM PCjr. I updated to a Windows95 system in 1995, and to a WinXP in 2001.
But, in spite of all this, and the fact that I was the president of my local IBM comtuter club for 2 years, I just could never get my new Vista-based laptop to run properly last April. It was a really pretty machine, a Dell E1505, and the VISTA screen also was really pretty. Too bad I could never get it to do what I wanted it to do in a smooth manner. Nor could the Dell techs, either, in the half-dozen calls I had to make.
Ease of use is one thing, I guess, but the fact that neither I nor Dell could get me connected to my e-mail via the wireless caused me to give it all up as a bad deal.
Dell was very good about taking the computer back and refunding all my money. According to one tech manager I spoke with, they were getting a tremendous number of outraged complaints from customers about Vista, so I guess Dell was used to refunding by the time I got mine.

]]> By: Gasbag http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793852 Gasbag Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:44:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793852 Hey put it up on digg.com and see how fast it get to the front page Hey put it up on digg.com and see how fast it get to the front page

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793593 ECA Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:35:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793593 35, DEFINE legacy... 1 year old.. 2..... 3 ...... 5??? Install DX 10 and you will find out FAST... THEN install the NEW DX 10.1, and you will find that cards for DX10, DONT WORK... So, EXPLAIN LEGACY.... 35,
DEFINE legacy…
1 year old..
2…..
3 ……
5???
Install DX 10 and you will find out FAST…
THEN install the NEW DX 10.1, and you will find that cards for DX10, DONT WORK…

So, EXPLAIN LEGACY….

]]> By: tallwookie http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793561 tallwookie Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:12:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793561 !! PWNED !! !! PWNED !!

]]> By: FRAGaLOT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793450 FRAGaLOT Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:32:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793450 Comparing Vista with Windows Me isn't the same. ME was an instant clusterfuck and people uninstalled it in less than 24hours. Vista at least RAN the only real problems is with legacy hardware and drivers. Vista indeed worked, where as Me crashed and burned constantly. Comparing Vista with Windows Me isn’t the same. ME was an instant clusterfuck and people uninstalled it in less than 24hours. Vista at least RAN the only real problems is with legacy hardware and drivers. Vista indeed worked, where as Me crashed and burned constantly.

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793415 chuck Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793415 The main thing that bugs me about Vista is that Microsoft seems to have either deliberately disabled some things that XP and previous versions of Windows could do, or they decided they just didn't care about running older applications. I have a PC in my office which came with Vista Basic pre-installed. I cannot run any of my old DOS applications full-screen. I get a message saying the system doesn't support it. And I can't get EMS (expanded memory) to function properly. Vista Basic seems to actually have less features than XP. Needless to say, I won't be getting any new PCs for the office anytime soon. I remember a similar experience with Windows ME. We bought a new PC, with Windows ME installed. It was unusable. We avoided buying new PCs for the office until XP SP1 came out. The main thing that bugs me about Vista is that Microsoft seems to have either deliberately disabled some things that XP and previous versions of Windows could do, or they decided they just didn’t care about running older applications.

I have a PC in my office which came with Vista Basic pre-installed. I cannot run any of my old DOS applications full-screen. I get a message saying the system doesn’t support it. And I can’t get EMS (expanded memory) to function properly.

Vista Basic seems to actually have less features than XP. Needless to say, I won’t be getting any new PCs for the office anytime soon.

I remember a similar experience with Windows ME. We bought a new PC, with Windows ME installed. It was unusable. We avoided buying new PCs for the office until XP SP1 came out.

]]> By: Mark Repass http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793302 Mark Repass Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:48:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793302 I got two copies of Vista in my software drawer. I think that's where they are going to stay. After going back to XP my system runs twice as fast and it's a lot more stable. Hillbillytech I got two copies of Vista in my software drawer. I think that’s where they are going to stay. After going back to XP my system runs twice as fast and it’s a lot more stable.

Hillbillytech

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793298 ECA Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:43:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793298 1. ANY computer can do the basics...Typing letters, spread sheets, playing solitaire...They can do ALOT of things without a power or processing increase. Want more speed in printing, GET A BETTER PRINTER. you dont need to get a FASTER computer. 2. WHY make a faster computer?? GAMES, Desktop publishing(maybe), CAD and 3D design. anything I miss? So what does Vista GIVE?? DX 10.. DX10 does WHAT? sound graphics and network... What ELSE do you get?? Beside, a OS that takes MORE ram, MORE HD space, and is a HOG for resources?? 1.
ANY computer can do the basics…Typing letters, spread sheets, playing solitaire…They can do ALOT of things without a power or processing increase. Want more speed in printing, GET A BETTER PRINTER. you dont need to get a FASTER computer.

2.
WHY make a faster computer??
GAMES, Desktop publishing(maybe), CAD and 3D design. anything I miss?
So what does Vista GIVE??
DX 10..
DX10 does WHAT? sound graphics and network…
What ELSE do you get??
Beside, a OS that takes MORE ram, MORE HD space, and is a HOG for resources??

]]> By: mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793285 mark Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:30:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793285 30. GregA- "The places I have introduced it, in the enterprise, it has been a non event." Yes, exactly. While I dont "love" any OS, once people get over their fear of change, its just not a big deal. I dont care what people use, but its not a difficult transition by any stretch of the imagination. 30. GregA- “The places I have introduced it, in the enterprise, it has been a non event.”

Yes, exactly. While I dont “love” any OS, once people get over their fear of change, its just not a big deal. I dont care what people use, but its not a difficult transition by any stretch of the imagination.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793279 GregA Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:26:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793279 #29, The places I have introduced it, in the enterprise, it has been a non event. Also the response by end users to the Aero interface has been overwhelmingly positive. Usually I get a "That looks really neat!" then they launch exchage or the internet and go about their business. On the otherhand, if you were cheap, and built your business on Samba instead of windows servers, OMG, you are so screwed right now. #29,

The places I have introduced it, in the enterprise, it has been a non event. Also the response by end users to the Aero interface has been overwhelmingly positive. Usually I get a “That looks really neat!” then they launch exchage or the internet and go about their business.

On the otherhand, if you were cheap, and built your business on Samba instead of windows servers, OMG, you are so screwed right now.

]]> By: mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793262 mark Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:22:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793262 26. Sure, whatever. It took my 79 year old father about 10 minutes to pick it up. 26. Sure, whatever. It took my 79 year old father about 10 minutes to pick it up.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/18/microsoft-admits-it-screwed-up-sp1-will-replace-vista-with-xp/comment-page-2/#comment-793260 Angel H. Wong Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:19:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13687#comment-793260 #22 Actually, Vista reminds me of XP when it was first launched, with all the compatibility issues, the lack of harware support, the huge resource hog, etc. In fact, people were saying that the "XP" meant "Xtra Problems." So eventually when AMD and Intel settle for a comfy core configuration and 2 GB ram becomes average, then the OS will become stable enough and the consumer's short attention span will center onto other things. #22

Actually, Vista reminds me of XP when it was first launched, with all the compatibility issues, the lack of harware support, the huge resource hog, etc. In fact, people were saying that the “XP” meant “Xtra Problems.”

So eventually when AMD and Intel settle for a comfy core configuration and 2 GB ram becomes average, then the OS will become stable enough and the consumer’s short attention span will center onto other things.

]]>