Comments on: In Vietnam, healing the damage done to nature by the American War http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-797471 MikeN Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:03:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-797471 Technically LBJ did live out what might have been his second term, by 2 days. As it was, his own handpicked successor won the party primary, and perhaps the real thing might have beaten Nixon where the second banana couldn't. I mentioned that he got scared after a close primary win, and you add in low poll numbers. I don't see a contradiction. That's the accepted history that LBJ dropped out because he thought he couldn't win. What I find interesting is that he dropped out on March 31, and today the primaries will be well over by then. Technically LBJ did live out what might have been his second term, by 2 days. As it was, his own handpicked successor won the party primary, and perhaps the real thing might have beaten Nixon where the second banana couldn’t. I mentioned that he got scared after a close primary win, and you add in low poll numbers. I don’t see a contradiction. That’s the accepted history that LBJ dropped out because he thought he couldn’t win. What I find interesting is that he dropped out on March 31, and today the primaries will be well over by then.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-797414 Mr. Fusion Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:09:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-797414 #28, Is there a market? #28,

Is there a market?

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796631 Angel H. Wong Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:44:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796631 #27 They can always grow coca plants in there, they are pretty resilient and grow in depleted soil. #27

They can always grow coca plants in there, they are pretty resilient and grow in depleted soil.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796595 Mr. Fusion Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:06:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796595 #26, Angel, While generally I would tend to agree with you, it appears Agent Orange really did a job on the soil. From the article, because all vegetation was wiped out by AG, monsoons washed much of the soil away. Later, invasive grasses took over, preventing the natural fauna from reforming. Even today, pockets of the dioxin are plentiful. #26, Angel,

While generally I would tend to agree with you, it appears Agent Orange really did a job on the soil. From the article, because all vegetation was wiped out by AG, monsoons washed much of the soil away. Later, invasive grasses took over, preventing the natural fauna from reforming. Even today, pockets of the dioxin are plentiful.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796574 Angel H. Wong Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:32:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796574 #25 You underestimate nature's ability to recover, specially in tropical humid areas. It's going to take time but eventually it's going to happen. #25

You underestimate nature’s ability to recover, specially in tropical humid areas. It’s going to take time but eventually it’s going to happen.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796160 Mr. Fusion Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:53:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796160 I hope this botanist succeeds reclaiming the land. Somehow I don't think the analogy “The operation was a success, but the patient died” works well in the end. America sterilized the land, what did they hope to win in the end? I hope this botanist succeeds reclaiming the land.

Somehow I don’t think the analogy “The operation was a success, but the patient died” works well in the end. America sterilized the land, what did they hope to win in the end?

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796154 Mr. Fusion Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:49:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796154 #17, MikeN Sheet, you love trolling. LBJ was elected President once, in 1964. He withdrew from the 1968 race because his poll numbers were low and he had been diagnosed with cancer. He knew he wouldn't live out his second term. As well, he understood how the war was fracturing the nation and so tried peace negotiations with North Vietnam. Learn some history before trying to impress people with your lame, silly blatherings. #17, MikeN

Sheet, you love trolling.

LBJ was elected President once, in 1964. He withdrew from the 1968 race because his poll numbers were low and he had been diagnosed with cancer. He knew he wouldn’t live out his second term. As well, he understood how the war was fracturing the nation and so tried peace negotiations with North Vietnam.

Learn some history before trying to impress people with your lame, silly blatherings.

]]> By: Cinaedh http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-796038 Cinaedh Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:59:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-796038 #10 Jägermeister That's an interesting reference page I bookmarked. Thanks! #9 MikeN <i>"Well at least half the country wasn’t communist when America left, then they got overrun."</i> Yes, they got overrun by Vietnamese. Also, I think and estimate of half the country not being on the communist side might be a little low. As for how many actual communists there were, it's difficult to come up with an accurate estimate. Mostly they thought of themselves as 'patriots' and 'freedom fighters' and not communists. I'm sure most of the people fighting in Iraq don't consider themselves 'terrorists' either. #18 MikeN <i>"Well Musharraf learned from Vietnam that you can’t trust America to stand by its allies."</i> Maybe he learned that given enough time and casualties, the American people will eventually see the truth despite their arrogance and pride. #10 Jägermeister

That’s an interesting reference page I bookmarked. Thanks!

#9 MikeN

“Well at least half the country wasn’t communist when America left, then they got overrun.”

Yes, they got overrun by Vietnamese.

Also, I think and estimate of half the country not being on the communist side might be a little low. As for how many actual communists there were, it’s difficult to come up with an accurate estimate. Mostly they thought of themselves as ‘patriots’ and ‘freedom fighters’ and not communists.

I’m sure most of the people fighting in Iraq don’t consider themselves ‘terrorists’ either.

#18 MikeN

“Well Musharraf learned from Vietnam that you can’t trust America to stand by its allies.”

Maybe he learned that given enough time and casualties, the American people will eventually see the truth despite their arrogance and pride.

]]> By: Mike http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-795943 Mike Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:35:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795943 all comments supplied by people who didn't learn history all comments supplied by people who didn’t learn history

]]> By: doug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-2/#comment-795834 doug Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:00:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795834 #18. Now if only someone would teach Musharraf what America does to those who shelter Osama Bin Ladin. We could, if we weren't otherwise occupied at the moment . #18. Now if only someone would teach Musharraf what America does to those who shelter Osama Bin Ladin.

We could, if we weren’t otherwise occupied at the moment .

]]> By: ZeOverMind http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-1/#comment-795572 ZeOverMind Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:35:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795572 <i>The Vietnamese did most of their fighting on the cheap.</i> #13 - Oh yah. the Vietnamese really fought the war "cheaply". LIke the 5 year old kid who was loaded with grenades walking up to the perimeter of the base (where my Dad spent part of his tour) trying to take out US Servicemen. If we learned anything about the war it was how "cheaply" the Vietnamese communists valued human life. The Vietnamese did most of their fighting on the cheap.

#13 – Oh yah. the Vietnamese really fought the war “cheaply”. LIke the 5 year old kid who was loaded with grenades walking up to the perimeter of the base (where my Dad spent part of his tour) trying to take out US Servicemen. If we learned anything about the war it was how “cheaply” the Vietnamese communists valued human life.

]]> By: RTaylor http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-1/#comment-795210 RTaylor Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:28:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795210 Nixon had Kissinger, LBJ inherited Robert McNamara. Nixon had Kissinger, LBJ inherited Robert McNamara.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-1/#comment-795202 MikeN Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:11:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795202 Well Musharraf learned from Vietnam that you can't trust America to stand by its allies. Well Musharraf learned from Vietnam that you can’t trust America to stand by its allies.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-1/#comment-795201 MikeN Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:10:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795201 LBJ got scared, since he had already won two elections with illegal votes, so he chose to not run for reelection after one close primary win. Had he stayed in the race, he might have kept Nixon out of the White House. LBJ got scared, since he had already won two elections with illegal votes, so he chose to not run for reelection after one close primary win. Had he stayed in the race, he might have kept Nixon out of the White House.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/19/in-vietnam-healing-the-damage-done-to-nature-by-the-american-war/comment-page-1/#comment-795171 Angel H. Wong Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:27:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13703#comment-795171 #11 That's because LBJ had Henry Kissinger and Bush jr. had Karl Rove. #11

That’s because LBJ had Henry Kissinger and Bush jr. had Karl Rove.

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