Also, it may actually be you who is confused on the “facts” that you were chastising Señor Fusion for his ignorance of. Senator Cornyn (R-Texas) introduced this both as Senate Resolution 315, and as Amendment SA 2808 to H.R. 3074. And that appropriations bill to which Cornyn tried to attach this amendment was for Transportation, H.U.D., and related agencies, not defense as you characterized it. The amendment was struck down on a point of order, and only the resolution survived to make the news and discussion circles.

Let me quote from Cornyn’s resolution:
“Whereas a recent attack through a full-page advertisement in the New York Times by the liberal activist group, Moveon.org, impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces…“ (emphasis mine)

Did I misread the ad? Did it really impugn the integrity of all members of the U.S. Armed Forces, or is Cornyn just grossly distorting reality for partisan political gain? The amendment was ruled “not germane” on a point of order raised by the bill’s Democrat manager, Senator Murray. Not germane sounds like a bit of an understatement. This Cornyn clown is a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

So often I hear variations of the old saying, “I don’t agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it.” That adage just died at the hands of the Senate Republicans and the spineless Democrats whom they managed to drag with them. They don’t seem to be great defenders of free speech.

So who the phuk cares??? If you want to suggest it is part of the expropriations bill then post a link.

Great reply. Not one word of actual rebuttal. Just the mention that some right wing nuts have disagreed with the GAO report. Look armpit, that DOES NOT mean the report is wrong, poorly written, or even inconclusive. It means some people don’t like the message.

In your whole post, you didn’t offer up one piece of evidence that anything in the GAO report is incorrect. Like, who the fuck is Gerald Baker? Besides his mother, does anyone else care. After Murdoch bought the London Times , it has become just another right wing rag with zero credibility. Yet there you are joshua, suggesting some writer with the Times wrote or said something so therefore they are right and the GAO is wrong. Divine inspiration ???

If the GAO report is wrong, then point out where they are wrong and what is the truth. Don’t quote other fucking brainless idiots as references. YOU are disputing the report, find some documented facts.

Congress set the rules for the report and then had the report done BEFORE the surge was even complete, they didn’t interview anyone in any position of knowledge on the goals, one way or another.

That is not based upon fact but the Fox Spews crap. Congressional Members ask the GAO to investigate a question. The GAO sets the technique and assigns the investigators, not Congress. There are no “rules” for the report, again more Fox Spews discrediting crap.

BTW, there are no “goals” and there is no “surge” time line. This Administration has no idea of what or where they are or doing as far as Iraq is concerned. The Administration did not cooperate with the report nor did the Pentagon so don’t blame the GAO because there is no one knowledgeable on the goals.

And to think, you claimed to have attended college. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick with a smile on his face. Didn’t you learn the basics of writing? Then you went to Law School on top of that?!?!?! You’re just a fucken wannabe. Are you and the chknhwk03 related?

The GAO report is not only shown to be totally hamstrung by not only Kristol, but Gerald Baker of the London Times and others. Congress set the rules for the report and then had the report done BEFORE the surge was even complete, they didn’t interview anyone in any position of knowledge on the goals, one way or another.

I don’t mind supporting things I don’t agree with, if they are or may achieve the desired goals. Unlike you Fussbutt, I want to see American soldiers home, AND Iraq have the chance to survive as a nation(even if they really aren’t) if that is what they want. Maybe Canadians have lived to long under the protection of a stronger neighbor to understand how they as well as we will be affected by a collapse of American military abilities in the world of today.

You might expand that limited, ideologue mind of yours by reading and paying attention to ALL sides of the issues, and not just your left wing friends at Moveon and the DailyKos.

Me? I dont care at all. If someone wants to pay me to care, I’ll take up a sign & start doing my fair share of protesting… but until then i’m apathetic about this whole situation

The GAO does their own reporting. When they can’t report, they acknowledge that fact as they did several times after being blocked by the Bush Administration on previous investigations. In this case they pointed out the Pentagon refused to share their numbers or cooperate.

The fact remains however, the GAO investigated. Even if biased, they wrote a report and documented all their findings for all the world to see and criticize. General Patraeous didn’t write a report and his statistics and conclusions remain undocumented. On just that point, who would you believe?

Discounting the GAO because you disagree with their conclusion is shooting the messenger because you don’t approve of the messege. A bullshit attribute of the right.

And thought through too. Plus, my own opinions except where properly attributed (cited).

Kristol is certainly not your typical impartial observer, but I’ll agree on one point concerning the GAO. No matter how impartial they are, it certainly seems possible for a GAO hamstrung by restrictive reporting guidelines (defined by Congress) to put out a one-sided report. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss that possibility without more of the tedious details, and hopefully from a less biased source than Kristol.

So how is bootcamp treating you? Did you volunteer for overseas yet?

Your post is typical crap. Again.

I have no idea, nor do I really care, who the eff Fredrick Kragen is. I assume he is some talking head. In which case, that makes his comments, which you have given us, equal crap. You are only quoting someone’s opinion, NOT FACTS. His opinions are no more relevant than if I quoted my wife, Mark Twain, or Keith Oberman.

Sheet, no wonder you joined the Army instead of continuing college. You don’t even know the basics of writing an essay.

William Kristol I have heard of. I do know he is a columnist. That means he gets paid to shoot off his mouth. It doesn’t mean he has to be correct. So what does our bootcamp guy do? He quotes someone else’s opinion then holds it up as fact. Isn’t Kristol also one of those paid Fox Spews regulars? Yes, yes, I know some people after their frontal lobotomies tend to worship such shitheads as troofers. Fox, Spews, like most conservatives, have a history of inventing crap to serve their own purpose.

Try this fact, bootcamp boy (actually I’m proud you enlisted)

GAO is an independent, nonpartisan, professional services agency in the
legislative branch of the federal government. Commonly known as the
“audit and investigative arm of the Congress” or the “congressional
watchdog,” we examine how taxpayer dollars are spent and advise
lawmakers and agency heads on ways to make government work better.

Our mission is to support the Congress in meeting its constitutional
responsibilities and to help improve the performance and ensure the
accountability of the federal government for the benefit of the
American people. We accomplish our mission by providing reliable
information and informed analysis to the Congress, federal agencies,
and the public, and we recommend improvements, when appropriate, on a
wide variety of issues. Three core values–accountability, integrity,
and reliability–form the basis for all of our work, regardless of its
origin.

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d07421sp.html
Then, to top off your obvious poor writing skills, your last paragraph is attributed to Kristol. Yet it appears to bounce about from quote to comment without clarity or distinction. So which is it? Did you add to Kristol or is he just that poor a writer too? If you get paid to write, you should learn the basics.
I’ve asked you before, if you insist on quoting someone or using a fact, produce citations. That means telling us where you got the information from. On the ‘net, that also means supplying a link instead of copying out the published source. Merely saying “Joe Blow wrote…” does not cut it. If you can copy and paste then you should also be capable of copying the URL. (NOTE, please use Tiny URL for long addresses) Your comments can’t be fact checked unless you do that, which just might be your intent.

Answer: When that progress is a result of the increased neighborhood segregation (both voluntary and forced) and especially from the erection of high concrete barriers restricting movement and reducing interaction along sectarian lines. Baghdad is becoming a city of barriers that increasingly reflect sectarian division, yet these people will have to somehow police and govern themselves as we draw down troop levels.

Certain approaches can distort statistical measures of violence into showing an improved situation. With enough segregation and barriers, sectarian violence can even become nonexistent. Will that be an acceptable sign of progress?

Question: Will we ever be able to declare victory and get completely out of Iraq?

Answer: No, because the point of our incursion was to maintain an increased military presence in this strategic energy producing region, and we’ve already built some lovely bases in Iraq. Complete success in terms of a peaceful, self-governing Iraq with no American presence would be a disaster of epic proportions. Fortunately, that scenario isn’t anywhere on the horizon.