Comments on: The MPAA wants to make ISPs their bitch and police the interwebitubes, AT&T submits! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Axtell http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-2/#comment-799785 Axtell Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:54:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-799785 Wow using the AT&T logo as the death star...that's original. gizmodo.com has been using that graphic for months now. Wow using the AT&T logo as the death star…that’s original.

gizmodo.com has been using that graphic for months now.

]]> By: Glenn E http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-2/#comment-799549 Glenn E Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:45:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-799549 I appologize for the duplicate posting. But if you look closely I had to change it a few times, in minor ways. That was because D.U. kept refusing to confirm it. Only after omitting the "standardnewswire" link did it go thru. But then surprise, the earlier to attempts were also recorded. So John going to have to figure out why that happens. Can't have this "blacklist" notice popping up for no reason. I appologize for the duplicate posting. But if you look closely I had to change it a few times, in minor ways. That was because D.U. kept refusing to confirm it. Only after omitting the “standardnewswire” link did it go thru. But then surprise, the earlier to attempts were also recorded. So John going to have to figure out why that happens. Can’t have this “blacklist” notice popping up for no reason.

]]> By: Glenn E http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-2/#comment-799536 Glenn E Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:38:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-799536 This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the "Protect America Act" extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA's specifications. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be. This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the “Protect America Act” extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA’s specifications.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php

And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be.

]]> By: Glenn E http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-799534 Glenn E Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:37:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-799534 This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the "Protect America Act" extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA's specifications. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be. http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/294761594.html Note the phrase: "meaningful liability protection", eight paragraphs down. Trying to sneak a blanket exemption in for the telecoms. now! This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the “Protect America Act” extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA’s specifications.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php

And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be.

http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/294761594.html

Note the phrase: “meaningful liability protection”, eight paragraphs down. Trying to sneak a blanket exemption in for the telecoms. now!

]]> By: Glenn E http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-799532 Glenn E Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:36:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-799532 This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the "Protect America Act" extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA's specifications. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be. http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/294761594.html Note the phrase: "meaningful liability protection", eight paragraphs down. Trying to sneak a blanket exemption in for the telecoms. This story is a smokescreen. It came out the very day that Prez Bush went to Congress to get the “Protect America Act” extended, perhaps made permanent. And get the Carriers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) exempt from any legal actions and law suits, concerning illegal wiretapping and monitoring of emails. AT&T just happen to be the first one exposed as having created a facility for doing this, to the NSA’s specifications.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/spy-scandal.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Eavesdropping.php

And if Bush wants to exempt all carriers from future law suits, then obvious others beside AT7T are either snooping in on the email, or soon will be.

http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/294761594.html

Note the phrase: “meaningful liability protection”, eight paragraphs down. Trying to sneak a blanket exemption in for the telecoms.

]]> By: James Armstrong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-798648 James Armstrong Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:54:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-798648 Makes sense. They're already looking at everything for Uncle Sam. Could be a major source of new revenue. Makes sense. They’re already looking at everything for Uncle Sam. Could be a major source of new revenue.

]]> By: hmeyers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-798509 hmeyers Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:24:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-798509 Yahoo is traded on NASDAQ. They aren't owned by anyone. AT&T (formerly SBC) and Yahoo have a DSL promotion agreement. Yahoo is traded on NASDAQ.

They aren’t owned by anyone. AT&T (formerly SBC) and Yahoo have a DSL promotion agreement.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-798164 ECA Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:52:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-798164 11, Yes they do... do a search on google for SBC, watch the first few listings... ATT Yahoo internet, and SBC... they used to have the SBC in their site... 11,
Yes they do…
do a search on google for SBC, watch the first few listings…
ATT
Yahoo internet, and SBC…
they used to have the SBC in their site…

]]> By: Lauren the Ghoti http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797917 Lauren the Ghoti Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:42:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797917 #13 - kdm "Don’t blame me; I voted for Kodos!" You're insane. Kang is our only hope... #13 – kdm

“Don’t blame me; I voted for Kodos!”

You’re insane. Kang is our only hope…

]]> By: mbtins01@hotmail.com http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797824 mbtins01@hotmail.com Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:01:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797824 Get used to it folks -- you are going to see more and more of this as they all realize there is money to be made or lawsuits to be avoided by doing it. The Internet as we know it is dying. Did you all really think that governments and big business would let something like it last that long? Too much power to the common man and that is a very scary thing for business and government. If they want to police the net, why don't they do a better job of cleaning up spam and porn? I still remember that AT&T -- my isp -- pulled all or most of the MP3 binary groups off the servers, but they are more than willing to keep alt.binaries.erotica.teen or whatever else it is. If we spent have as much time in this country going after stuff that is really illegal and or harmful as we do acting as thugs for the MPAA and RIAA, kiddie porn and crap like that would have been wiped out years ago. Exploit a child -- oh that's too bad -- what a shame. Take a nickel from the RIAA or the MPAA -- off with his head!!!! Mike T Get used to it folks — you are going to see more and more of this as they all realize there is money to be made or lawsuits to be avoided by doing it.

The Internet as we know it is dying. Did you all really think that governments and big business would let something like it last that long? Too much power to the common man and that is a very scary thing for business and government.

If they want to police the net, why don’t they do a better job of cleaning up spam and porn?

I still remember that AT&T — my isp — pulled all or most of the MP3 binary groups off the servers, but they are more than willing to keep alt.binaries.erotica.teen or whatever else it is.

If we spent have as much time in this country going after stuff that is really illegal and or harmful as we do acting as thugs for the MPAA and RIAA, kiddie porn and crap like that would have been wiped out years ago.

Exploit a child — oh that’s too bad — what a shame. Take a nickel from the RIAA or the MPAA — off with his head!!!!

Mike T

]]> By: jdm http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797738 jdm Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:10:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797738 Don't blame me; <i>I</i> voted for Kodos! Don’t blame me; I voted for Kodos!

]]> By: FRAGaLOT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797582 FRAGaLOT Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:12:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797582 thank god I switch back to cable from AT&T DSL. thank god I switch back to cable from AT&T DSL.

]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797579 OhForTheLoveOf Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:10:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797579 #4 - <i>You forgot something… SBC also owns Yahoo…</i> Ummm... No... They don't... #4 – You forgot something…
SBC also owns Yahoo…

Ummm… No… They don’t…

]]> By: The Monster's Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797558 The Monster's Lawyer Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:49:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797558 I for one welcome our InterWebitube overlords. All Hail! I for one welcome our InterWebitube overlords.
All Hail!

]]> By: Bryan Price http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/21/the-mpaa-wants-to-make-isps-their-bitch-and-police-the-interwebitubes-att-submits/comment-page-1/#comment-797537 Bryan Price Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:38:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13726#comment-797537 Wasn't that a nice hoot? :( c:\>tracert somewhere Tracing route to lb1.www.ms.akadns.net [207.46.192.254] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 13 ms * 7 ms Comcast 4 8 ms * 9 ms Comcast 5 7 ms * 7 ms Comcast 6 82 ms * 23 ms Comcast 7 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms Comcast 8 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 12.86.180.241 - Not reported, but AT&T 9 93 ms 93 ms 87 ms tbr2.ormfl.ip.att.net [12.122.106.66] 10 150 ms 88 ms 87 ms tbr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.12.121] 11 90 ms 88 ms 88 ms tbr2.dtrmi.ip.att.net [12.122.10.197] 12 87 ms 88 ms 88 ms tbr2.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.10.134] 13 116 ms 88 ms 143 ms tbr2.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.122.10.62] This should work. If I want to do anything on my Comcast account, it has to go through AT&T. And no, I don't believe that what AT&T is talking about is just an end-point. If it hit's their network, they are going to examine that packet. Wasn’t that a nice hoot? :(

c:\>tracert somewhere

Tracing route to lb1.www.ms.akadns.net [207.46.192.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 13 ms * 7 ms Comcast
4 8 ms * 9 ms Comcast
5 7 ms * 7 ms Comcast
6 82 ms * 23 ms Comcast
7 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms Comcast
8 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 12.86.180.241 – Not reported, but AT&T
9 93 ms 93 ms 87 ms tbr2.ormfl.ip.att.net [12.122.106.66]
10 150 ms 88 ms 87 ms tbr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.12.121]
11 90 ms 88 ms 88 ms tbr2.dtrmi.ip.att.net [12.122.10.197]
12 87 ms 88 ms 88 ms tbr2.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.10.134]
13 116 ms 88 ms 143 ms tbr2.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.122.10.62]

This should work.

If I want to do anything on my Comcast account, it has to go through AT&T. And no, I don’t believe that what AT&T is talking about is just an end-point. If it hit’s their network, they are going to examine that packet.

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