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		<title>By: edwinrogers</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810935</link>
		<dc:creator>edwinrogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paid subscription. The new model for automated updating. Force everyone to authenticate then make them pay to repair your product. I call it the Alfa Romeo service and support method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paid subscription. The new model for automated updating. Force everyone to authenticate then make them pay to repair your product. I call it the Alfa Romeo service and support method.</p>
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		<title>By: tallwookie</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810926</link>
		<dc:creator>tallwookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who actually uses Windows Update anyway?  I havent used it in years.  In fact Its the first thing I disable before then disabling about 85% of the Services.

if you do use it, make a *.bat file &amp; drop these commands in it.  run the batch file &amp; then then go run WU

regsvr32 /s wuapi.dll
regsvr32 /s wuaueng1.dll
regsvr32 /s wuaueng.dll
regsvr32 /s wucltui.dll
regsvr32 /s wups2.dll
regsvr32 /s wups.dll
regsvr32 /s wuweb.dll

Enjoy ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who actually uses Windows Update anyway?  I havent used it in years.  In fact Its the first thing I disable before then disabling about 85% of the Services.</p>
<p>if you do use it, make a *.bat file &amp; drop these commands in it.  run the batch file &amp; then then go run WU</p>
<p>regsvr32 /s wuapi.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wuaueng1.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wuaueng.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wucltui.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wups2.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wups.dll<br />
regsvr32 /s wuweb.dll</p>
<p>Enjoy <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810799</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24 I wholeheartedly agree with you. On top of that, the death of efficient code in favor of bloatware only hightens this problem.

Society has lost its grip on itself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 I wholeheartedly agree with you. On top of that, the death of efficient code in favor of bloatware only hightens this problem.</p>
<p>Society has lost its grip on itself</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810479</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the morons in Redmond just did not think of this in their testing procedures.  They only had 1 million other situations to test before releasing the patch that caused the problem.

As the Winblows code, and Mac code, continues to bloat out, you will continue to see issues like this over time.  Just look at Firefox lately.  As they add more functions, and their user base has increased, more bugs pop up.

Now, is it possible that this was a deliberate attempt to trash XP?  You bet.

Mark my words, MS will continue to release patches that cause problems for XP.  

Don
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the morons in Redmond just did not think of this in their testing procedures.  They only had 1 million other situations to test before releasing the patch that caused the problem.</p>
<p>As the Winblows code, and Mac code, continues to bloat out, you will continue to see issues like this over time.  Just look at Firefox lately.  As they add more functions, and their user base has increased, more bugs pop up.</p>
<p>Now, is it possible that this was a deliberate attempt to trash XP?  You bet.</p>
<p>Mark my words, MS will continue to release patches that cause problems for XP.  </p>
<p>Don</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810431</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,  stealth update like this can disrupt your life when you least expect it.

This is the reason I turn off automatic update, I just can stand being
disrupted with in the middle of something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  stealth update like this can disrupt your life when you least expect it.</p>
<p>This is the reason I turn off automatic update, I just can stand being<br />
disrupted with in the middle of something</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810340</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 you talking about mac, right? because that&#039;s exactly what mac does, harasing customer and putting up updates that discble their hardware for not doing Steve&#039;s bed.

It seems that you concur with me that MS behaves everyday more like mac.

#16 didn&#039;t happen here. And I did that upgrade ages ago. You must be mistaken with a quicktime update.

#20 He&#039;s right Angel, you don&#039;t have to upgrade the solitaire that comes with OSX everytime there&#039;s a &quot;free&quot; mac patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 you talking about mac, right? because that&#8217;s exactly what mac does, harasing customer and putting up updates that discble their hardware for not doing Steve&#8217;s bed.</p>
<p>It seems that you concur with me that MS behaves everyday more like mac.</p>
<p>#16 didn&#8217;t happen here. And I did that upgrade ages ago. You must be mistaken with a quicktime update.</p>
<p>#20 He&#8217;s right Angel, you don&#8217;t have to upgrade the solitaire that comes with OSX everytime there&#8217;s a &#8220;free&#8221; mac patch.</p>
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		<title>By: Greymoon</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-2/#comment-810257</link>
		<dc:creator>Greymoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote for Pedro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote for Pedro.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep repeating that, Angel. It&#039;s pure bullshit, but keep repeating it. Maybe someone other than pedro&#039;ll believe it. You can always hope. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep repeating that, Angel. It&#8217;s pure bullshit, but keep repeating it. Maybe someone other than pedro&#8217;ll believe it. You can always hope. <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810202</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9

&quot;While I try my best not to go too far down the Apple worship path, I will say that OS X doesn’t have this problem: Apple does a much better job of managing its Software Update application, and is about to open it to third parties.&quot;

Yep, &#039;cause every time you upgrade their precious OSX you have to buy back all your precious extra expensive applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9</p>
<p>&#8220;While I try my best not to go too far down the Apple worship path, I will say that OS X doesn’t have this problem: Apple does a much better job of managing its Software Update application, and is about to open it to third parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, &#8217;cause every time you upgrade their precious OSX you have to buy back all your precious extra expensive applications.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810135</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17,
Unpatched Bug...
After ? years?  wouldnt you think that ALL the patches needed WOULD BE THERE??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17,<br />
Unpatched Bug&#8230;<br />
After ? years?  wouldnt you think that ALL the patches needed WOULD BE THERE??</p>
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		<title>By: dusan maletic</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810117</link>
		<dc:creator>dusan maletic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did something similar as a suggestion by #14 as soon as I learned about this couple days ago. I returned WU software to the previous (vs. the stealth update) condition (easy to do) and disabled any future updates/notifications.
Yes, I risk some yet unpatched bug but I perceive MS tampering with my PC to be  much more dangerous. I don&#039;t buy &quot;lack of core experts&quot; or mistake. Vista is not doing well and suddenly there is a covert update for XP with a problem... My opinion: MS testing water for future &quot;unintentional&quot; XP mess-up to heard unwilling to Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did something similar as a suggestion by #14 as soon as I learned about this couple days ago. I returned WU software to the previous (vs. the stealth update) condition (easy to do) and disabled any future updates/notifications.<br />
Yes, I risk some yet unpatched bug but I perceive MS tampering with my PC to be  much more dangerous. I don&#8217;t buy &#8220;lack of core experts&#8221; or mistake. Vista is not doing well and suddenly there is a covert update for XP with a problem&#8230; My opinion: MS testing water for future &#8220;unintentional&#8221; XP mess-up to heard unwilling to Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810038</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to know an Easy way to MESS UP windows?
Send an update to DX9.0c...
Mess with the codecs...BAM its gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to know an Easy way to MESS UP windows?<br />
Send an update to DX9.0c&#8230;<br />
Mess with the codecs&#8230;BAM its gone.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810014</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eventually, everyone running XP will be sent to prison.  
And you get what you deserve also. 
This is all part of a plot to wipe out the human race. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually, everyone running XP will be sent to prison.<br />
And you get what you deserve also.<br />
This is all part of a plot to wipe out the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: Greymoon</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-810006</link>
		<dc:creator>Greymoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just get XP service pack 2 use Firefox and turn that other bullshit off. This will negate attempted Microsoft sabotage. This method will not support migratory tactics to Vista fortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just get XP service pack 2 use Firefox and turn that other bullshit off. This will negate attempted Microsoft sabotage. This method will not support migratory tactics to Vista fortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/09/29/microsoft-stealth-updating-stonewalls-xp-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-809983</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catch bad guys? Not know what they&#039;re doing? Cheezus.

Some people have to be reminded, apparently, that M$ spends most the the money they do spend on slick marketing - and lawyers, both to figure out the safest, most lucrative ways to steal IP from little people and companies who can&#039;t afford to fight back and to make everything that goes wrong both the customers&#039; responsibility and the customers&#039; fault.

Programmers, at M$, are a cost center they are constantly seeking ways to rid themselves of. And they&#039;re always working to make their blunders into things they can blame the user for - and then expect to be paid to fix them!

&quot;It was always that way. And even if it wasn&#039;t it is now. And we never said that doing what we tell you to do would actually fix your problem. And if you&#039;ve found a way to fix that problem and we find out about it, we&#039;ll break it, too. Etc, etc...........&quot;

All that horseshit is a lot easier and a lot more lucrative - when you got millions of sheeple hoodwinked into believing you&#039;re the only game in town - than actually devoting skilled (expensive) personnel to making things work as advertised.

A billions-of-dollars industry created just to bilk users for fixing things that they&#039;re too computer-illiterate to understand are not their fault, but Microsoft&#039;s (deliberate) doing.

Start of a typical call to M$ tech support, over something that M$ fucked up: &quot;Uh, hi. I don&#039;t know &lt;b&gt;what I&#039;m doing wrong,&lt;/b&gt; but when I do such-and-such, I get this...&quot; and so on... 

It&#039;s a hoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catch bad guys? Not know what they&#8217;re doing? Cheezus.</p>
<p>Some people have to be reminded, apparently, that M$ spends most the the money they do spend on slick marketing &#8211; and lawyers, both to figure out the safest, most lucrative ways to steal IP from little people and companies who can&#8217;t afford to fight back and to make everything that goes wrong both the customers&#8217; responsibility and the customers&#8217; fault.</p>
<p>Programmers, at M$, are a cost center they are constantly seeking ways to rid themselves of. And they&#8217;re always working to make their blunders into things they can blame the user for &#8211; and then expect to be paid to fix them!</p>
<p>&#8220;It was always that way. And even if it wasn&#8217;t it is now. And we never said that doing what we tell you to do would actually fix your problem. And if you&#8217;ve found a way to fix that problem and we find out about it, we&#8217;ll break it, too. Etc, etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>All that horseshit is a lot easier and a lot more lucrative &#8211; when you got millions of sheeple hoodwinked into believing you&#8217;re the only game in town &#8211; than actually devoting skilled (expensive) personnel to making things work as advertised.</p>
<p>A billions-of-dollars industry created just to bilk users for fixing things that they&#8217;re too computer-illiterate to understand are not their fault, but Microsoft&#8217;s (deliberate) doing.</p>
<p>Start of a typical call to M$ tech support, over something that M$ fucked up: &#8220;Uh, hi. I don&#8217;t know <b>what I&#8217;m doing wrong,</b> but when I do such-and-such, I get this&#8230;&#8221; and so on&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hoot.</p>
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