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	<title>Comments on: Marion Jones admits her &#8220;God given abilities&#8221; are drug-based</title>
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		<title>By: P.W.</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-2/#comment-822280</link>
		<dc:creator>P.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not condoning what Marion Jones did but I feel that even without the enhancement, she would still have come in first place in her sport, provided that the other athletes were not taking in enhancements.  The steroids just speeds up the time that a runner would come in be it first place, second place etc.  Let her keep her medals she would have come in first place anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not condoning what Marion Jones did but I feel that even without the enhancement, she would still have come in first place in her sport, provided that the other athletes were not taking in enhancements.  The steroids just speeds up the time that a runner would come in be it first place, second place etc.  Let her keep her medals she would have come in first place anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-2/#comment-819366</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey folks, go easy on her; she&#039;s a black role model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey folks, go easy on her; she&#8217;s a black role model.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-2/#comment-819130</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a name for athletes that don&#039;t take steroids... losers.

Of course they suspended over 200 athletes during the Olympics in which she won her medals in for steroids, because they were from 3rd world countries that couldn&#039;t afford the good ones. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a name for athletes that don&#8217;t take steroids&#8230; losers.</p>
<p>Of course they suspended over 200 athletes during the Olympics in which she won her medals in for steroids, because they were from 3rd world countries that couldn&#8217;t afford the good ones.</p>
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		<title>By: NappyHeadedHo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-2/#comment-819044</link>
		<dc:creator>NappyHeadedHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they should give footballs steroids so they&#039;ll go further when you kick them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they should give footballs steroids so they&#8217;ll go further when you kick them.</p>
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		<title>By: hhopper</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-819011</link>
		<dc:creator>hhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeebus H. Cripes there are a lot of sports haters on here.  Next thing you know, you guys will try to outlaw football.  That&#039;s when I get pissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeebus H. Cripes there are a lot of sports haters on here.  Next thing you know, you guys will try to outlaw football.  That&#8217;s when I get pissed.</p>
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		<title>By: NappyHeadedHo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-819000</link>
		<dc:creator>NappyHeadedHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone above mentioned Al Sharpton.  This is starting to sound like some racial shit.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone above mentioned Al Sharpton.  This is starting to sound like some racial shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-818938</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16, Lauren,

I think that “honor, integrity, and honesty” is something spoken by those who sit on the sidelines. When one gets to this level of competition, winning becomes all important. If cheating is required to surpass, then so be it. 

I don&#039;t approve of using artificial means to excel, but then I never played sports at that level.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16, Lauren,</p>
<p>I think that “honor, integrity, and honesty” is something spoken by those who sit on the sidelines. When one gets to this level of competition, winning becomes all important. If cheating is required to surpass, then so be it. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t approve of using artificial means to excel, but then I never played sports at that level.</p>
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		<title>By: shih tzu paradise</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-818748</link>
		<dc:creator>shih tzu paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons I don&#039;t watch or care about pro sports anymore.  I stick to amateur, little league etc, that haven&#039;t been completely corrupted by $$$

Who cares which drug fuelled freak &#039;athelete&#039; wins over another.

These are our heroes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons I don&#8217;t watch or care about pro sports anymore.  I stick to amateur, little league etc, that haven&#8217;t been completely corrupted by $$$</p>
<p>Who cares which drug fuelled freak &#8216;athelete&#8217; wins over another.</p>
<p>These are our heroes?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 - tau.reanb

&quot;...who can blame someone for using steroids to level the playing field when you know the next greatest competitor is probably doing the same.&quot;

Who can blame them? Easy. Any one of the dwindling number of people who know that honor, integrity, honesty all come before winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; tau.reanb</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;who can blame someone for using steroids to level the playing field when you know the next greatest competitor is probably doing the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who can blame them? Easy. Any one of the dwindling number of people who know that honor, integrity, honesty all come before winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-818600</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken #12, but is bionics next?  DO you really want to open up that door as you suggest &quot;anything goes&quot;?   

Sorry, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m quite ready for that slippery slope  Maybe I&#039;m old fashioned, but I rather keep one of the few things left in our &quot;advanced society&quot; that is reasonably  and can be kept reasonably &quot;whole&quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken #12, but is bionics next?  DO you really want to open up that door as you suggest &#8220;anything goes&#8221;?   </p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m quite ready for that slippery slope  Maybe I&#8217;m old fashioned, but I rather keep one of the few things left in our &#8220;advanced society&#8221; that is reasonably  and can be kept reasonably &#8220;whole&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>By: iGlobalWarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-818434</link>
		<dc:creator>iGlobalWarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it&#039;s nothing but an arms race between detectors and drug designers, like it or not, sports will eventually become a free for all.   &quot;Naturals&quot; won&#039;t be able to compete.  The war is already lost on this one. 

This is an underlying theme in &quot;Achilles Choice&quot;: http://tinyurl.com/2rt4t6 which I recall was a pretty good story although I read it years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it&#8217;s nothing but an arms race between detectors and drug designers, like it or not, sports will eventually become a free for all.   &#8220;Naturals&#8221; won&#8217;t be able to compete.  The war is already lost on this one. </p>
<p>This is an underlying theme in &#8220;Achilles Choice&#8221;: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2rt4t6" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/2rt4t6' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2rt4t6</a> which I recall was a pretty good story although I read it years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God must have given her the drugs.
On the bright side, she now has 3 testicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God must have given her the drugs.<br />
On the bright side, she now has 3 testicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/05/marion-jones-admits-her-god-given-talent-is-drug-based/comment-page-1/#comment-818379</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sick and tired of all these &quot;wholesome&quot; sports image; it&#039;s just like the dumb perception that the women competing in the Miss Universe beauty pageant are all natural and VIRGIN.

I would prefer to see the athletes consume steriods as if they were nothing but M&amp;Ms because right now EVERYONE CAN GET THEM, so fuck you lame &quot;We don&#039;t allow steriods because they&#039;re unfair for the competitors&quot; excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of all these &#8220;wholesome&#8221; sports image; it&#8217;s just like the dumb perception that the women competing in the Miss Universe beauty pageant are all natural and VIRGIN.</p>
<p>I would prefer to see the athletes consume steriods as if they were nothing but M&amp;Ms because right now EVERYONE CAN GET THEM, so fuck you lame &#8220;We don&#8217;t allow steriods because they&#8217;re unfair for the competitors&#8221; excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: tau.reanb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tau.reanb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, let&#039;s take away Jones&#039; medals and records.  But who&#039;s to say the next person in line wasn&#039;t using unapproved substances either?  I believe cheating is quite rampant in sports and who can blame someone for using steroids to level the playing field when you know the next greatest competitor is probably doing the same.  

I agree with Mark (above).  Just allow any and all substances.  It will level the playing field and allow us to more fully understand these so-called &quot;performance enhancing substances.&quot;  How do we know these even work?  Bonds could have broken the record without even using Steroids possibly.  Who&#039;s to say Motrin isn&#039;t a performance enhancing drug because it&#039;s an advantage athletes didn&#039;t have long ago.  Who&#039;s to say multivitamins aren&#039;t performance enhancing.  Creatine is legal, yet highly effective.  

Marion Jones may have cheated, sure.  But I can almost certainly guarantee you that her second place finisher in that race probably cheated too.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, let&#8217;s take away Jones&#8217; medals and records.  But who&#8217;s to say the next person in line wasn&#8217;t using unapproved substances either?  I believe cheating is quite rampant in sports and who can blame someone for using steroids to level the playing field when you know the next greatest competitor is probably doing the same.  </p>
<p>I agree with Mark (above).  Just allow any and all substances.  It will level the playing field and allow us to more fully understand these so-called &#8220;performance enhancing substances.&#8221;  How do we know these even work?  Bonds could have broken the record without even using Steroids possibly.  Who&#8217;s to say Motrin isn&#8217;t a performance enhancing drug because it&#8217;s an advantage athletes didn&#8217;t have long ago.  Who&#8217;s to say multivitamins aren&#8217;t performance enhancing.  Creatine is legal, yet highly effective.  </p>
<p>Marion Jones may have cheated, sure.  But I can almost certainly guarantee you that her second place finisher in that race probably cheated too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Waymark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Waymark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9.  &lt;i&gt;There are doctors out there prescribing them and there is a current case going on with a doctor who has prescribed steroids for dozens of wrestlers and athletes. Get rid of the source of the problem.&lt;/i&gt;

The doctor&#039;s and dealers have their part of the blame, but at the end of the day its the athlete that makes the choice.  They are grown ups, at least as much as anyone is a grown up these days, they make their own choices and they suffer the consequences.  You can find all sorts of causes, but that doesn&#039;t remove culpability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9.  <i>There are doctors out there prescribing them and there is a current case going on with a doctor who has prescribed steroids for dozens of wrestlers and athletes. Get rid of the source of the problem.</i></p>
<p>The doctor&#8217;s and dealers have their part of the blame, but at the end of the day its the athlete that makes the choice.  They are grown ups, at least as much as anyone is a grown up these days, they make their own choices and they suffer the consequences.  You can find all sorts of causes, but that doesn&#8217;t remove culpability.</p>
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