Giant Mega Mosque Planned for London

Arrogant Americans. Even here on Dvorak.org.

Shocking.

Since when has London been a country??

I feel no sympathy whatsoever for either party.

This all happened ages ago, in every major city, Chinese settlers created ghettos and Chinatowns.

How is this different? Besides I like the vegetarian cuisine of the middle-east, quite tasty.

We should really ban religion, Its major crippling of humanity , this dependency in fairy stories.

I’m thinking about becoming a Muslim and opening a Mosque in the country of New Jersey.

Eaze, normally I would agree and just consider the mosque as another fool’s paradise for a rational-deficient group to celebrate their mass delusion. But there’s more to the story, as reported in the International Herald Tribune that would suggest some possible dangers to the community.

“…Tablighi Jamaat, a worldwide evangelical Islamic group based in Pakistan with millions of followers that professes to encourage Muslims to be more loyal to their faith.
American and European law enforcement officials say Tablighi Jamaat’s simple message masks a fertile recruiting ground for terrorists. Two of the suicide bombers who attacked the London transit system in July 2005 had attended Tablighi Jamaat gatherings, British security officials said.”

These are the people who drove off the Nazis. I hope they gather their balls together soon and drive away the Muslims. My tolerance for this religion has bottomed out.

It spreads like a disease and in 50 years or so, France, Sweden, Britain, Holland, and a few others will be close to having muslims as 50% of their population.

The same is going to happen in the US with mexicans: the powers of demographics depend only lots of babies and people like making those!!

Except the case of latino violence is not anything as close to muslim violence to non-believers. Just ask dhimmi people how it is to live under muslim rule where cattle and slaves have more value than your non-believing ass.

Of course, these wounds are also self imposed. We have had many warnings signs like in Bosnia where the muslim fanatic in charge was being hailed by us as a democrat yet he had not even a decade earlier printed a book “Islamic Declaration” where he openly called for a society where islam would dominate all. Guy openly states that no other religion or social structure can have precedence or even co-exists with islam and we called him a democrat.
And the list of filth that muslims have gotten away has been truly amazing. People who call for the death of people get knighted. Muslim cleric who comments about the rape of whores is called Mother Theresa by London Mayor. Oh, but we cant say anything bad, that would be racist.

Even mainstream muslim groups in the UK have a stated goal of a muslim Great Britain, none hide this fact. It is their goal. They have the high birth rates and the ghettoization necessary for this to work. And the lefties in power who will be always be there to facilitate things.

In a way, France and England will disappear through the fruits of their own empires. Poetic justice.

It ain’t there yet, and will be years in the making, if it even happens. Lotsa money needed to prime the construction pumps, plus the truckloads (sorry; lorry loads) of paperwork; building permits, environmental permits, union stuff and design fees. I like the idea of internal tidal energy, and if they do get it off the ground then more power to them. Hey, they get it built, then default on the mortgage, London gets a new sports arena, or something. Thing about it, to get it built they will need a lot of help from non-Muslims, and you never know, that may bridge the gap a bit.

John… watch out, the Latinos and Muslims are out to get YOU.

#4 – Mark Derailed – Chinese settlers created ghettos and Chinatowns.

Nothing different from when the frogs created their ghettos and the Italians created little Italy’s across the continent.

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. – Abd al-Rahman al-Rashid, September 23, 2004

How is a story about a giant mosque in London being turned into some horrible thing? What did they do wrong? There’s a lot of muslims in England and they’re getting a place of worship. I’m an atheist, but the only problem I have with this is the racist nature of the editorializing.

I have no problems with Muslims, and them practising their religion, but what I do have a problem is the extremist Muslims paying for the backing of this mosque.

BTW this is old news and it won’t happen anyway….

Read these two books:

Londonistan, by Melanie Phillips
and
While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying The West From Within, by Bruce Bawer

These two books will scare the crap out of you about radical Islamists and how they’ve already started taking over Europe slowly but surely, and eyeing North America as their next goal, all in the name of a worldwide Islamic caliphate.

Missing the point. Radical Muslims can be dangerous. They believe they are “magically” right and therefore you can’t argue and find a rational logical “middle ground” because there is no middle to a magical truth. But radical Christians, Jews and Hindu’s are EVERY BIT as bad. They all believe they are MAGICALLY right and are on gods side. Don’t you get that? The terrorists who flew the planes into NY thought THEY were the good guys…the people they murdered were the ‘bad guys’ and the people doing the killing were the ‘good guys’. Religion and ONLY religion give you that out. All religions should be baned. It’s long time we grew up as a race and stopped killing over stupid made up children’s stories. Grow up. There is not a magic invisible head floating in the sky telling us to eat or not eat bacon. Dang.

28. If I was on a deserted island with a religious believer of “thou shalt not kill,” and also an atheist who believed morals are simply an artificial man-made concept, I’d be terrified of the atheist.

RBG

#30 I am confused by your statement. I am an atheist yet I don’t think humans can escape from a morality, assuming moral systems are ethno/genetic/cultural gifts to all humanity. Our moral code is part of our identity. It IS our identity. A normal human, that is, a nonsociapath or otherwise someone not suffering from an abnormal pathology, can not not have an identity.

Our morality is not merely a contingency but a necessary byproduct of human consciousness.

As to whether I would chose to be on an island with an atheist or a believer, I am not certain. I think I would chose the atheist. We would have much in common.

Also, I think that the mental space required to deny a cultural idiom implies a rational mind that the believer can not be assumed to possess.

Along these same lines, I would prefer a more stable companion. In my experience, the religious are prone to respond to emotions in a more fundamental mode than the rational. I have seen sober men and women on witch-hunts and watched mass delusion unfold.

Bryan Carney

#12 Rich These are the people who drove off the Nazis.

What have the Russian to do with anything? They drove off the Nazi’s. We just let the Nazi’s bomb for a few years while waited and waited for our American cousins to come to our aid, which they did….. eventually.

As for the building, a nice building. As for the Islamification of the UK, I think you’ll find that Muslims, from any part of the world, become British a lot more quickly that the British will ever become Muslim.

I should also be very surprised if in four generations from now British Muslim women are still keeping their eye’s down, staying at home, not wanting to work, and doing all those things that some clerics seem to think Muslim women should do. I’ll also be surprised if many Muslim men are really going to choose a life of no-sex-before-marriage and no drinking…..

There is a reason why the radicals are resorting to terrorism….. they know they are fighting a war they cannot win…..

@35 – I have looked into islam, which is how I have been able to conclude that it’s such an unpleasant set of supernatural and warped beliefs. The koran makes no issue of killing non believers, it’s positively encouraged. And there can be few people who can think the treatment of women and homosexuals in islamic states (who follow sharia/islamic law) is anything but brutal and inhuman.

As for atheists converting believers, it’s more a case of atheists saying ‘look at the evidence’. Once you do that, the only conclusion a rational, intelligent mind can reach, is that religion is the creation of primitive mankind, and was designed in part to explain the then ‘mysteries’ of the world, and also to control the peasants and keep them in check.

Just imagine for a minute a world without religion. Nice, isn’t it?

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and #32, don’t be confused. It’s actually the religiously indoctrinated people, oblivious of the Greek philosophers, who think our morality today has roots in religion. We have developed morality despite such appalling books as “The Bible”. The Greek have done much of the work that was necessary to overcome the bronze age, the katholics have then kicked us back into the dark medieval times from which renaissance, focusing on Roman and Greek philosophy has catapulted us into modern times.
Religious morality does not ab initio include humanity, go read the old testament.

pj

To #35, Wan K Reza, your personal version of Islam may be relatively harmless, but the problem is, as with all religions, there are many versions and some of them are dangerous. This particular mosque is of a secretive evangelical muslim faction, the Tablighi Jamaat, that encourages terror tactics, and refers to outsiders as “kafir”, which is a term of contempt like calling someone an infidel.

According to British officials, two of the suicide bombers who attacked the London transit system in July 2005 had attended Tablighi Jamaat gatherings.

Considering the size of the intended mosque, you would have a hard time convincing me that extremist muslims are the minority.

32 Bryan Carney. Sounds like superstition and religion to me: an artificial, non-existent connection between real life conduct & consequences, and a belief structure. I think you really, really believe your statement about humans having an ingrained morality. Except religious people, of course.

RBG

#44: on your island story: you might choose the religious person, as long as you’re part of his belief system and not part of his “out group”. For in many religions, “thou shalt not kill” is immediately followed by “anyone but infidels”

pj

“We should really ban religion, Its major crippling of humanity , this dependency in fairy stories.”

Right on !!!

“It spreads like a disease and in 50 years or so, France, Sweden, Britain, Holland, and a few others will be close to having muslims as 50% of their population.”

Organized religion is a shining example of idiocy. Islam is the most cancerous of them all.

“almost all terrorists are Muslims.”

Not necessarily, but that has been the case as of late. Muslim = Terrorist is what the world sees.

“All religions should be baned”

Damn right, & that is “banned”.

well, if it was as simple as banning drugs…
the less educated people are, the more they insist in their right to be betrayed. Ending poverty and providing sufficient education to every child is the way to end religion. Being religious is a sign of a lack of education and scientific understanding.

pj

>>Ending poverty and providing sufficient education to
>>every child is the way to end religion.

More likely, the way to START it. Real religion, that is. Not megachurches that run on meth and man-ass, suicide bombers, and like that.

>>Fact… almost 100% of religiousness starts with the
>>brainwashing of children in their home

Sounds like YOU are the one who has been brainwashed, Jimbo. Have you heard of Jews for Jesus? Have you heard of Cassius Clay/ Muhammed Ali? Have you heard of Hare Krishas? Have you hard of Antony Flew? Millions of people adopt a spiritual system of beliefs every year that does not “start with the brainwashing of children”.

Mister Muster, straight to the point then.

What percentage of all the religious people currently of this earth would you say were taught their religion when they were children?

Bet it’s close to the same % those who are likewise brainwashed to be liberals…

RBG