2006년 무슬림권 선교소식 — You have to scroll down the page to get the English version of this webpage. It seems as if London is continuing to slowly turn into a Muslim country,
The mosque will be part of a giant ‘Islamic village’ situated next to the Olympic site. ..The architects Mangera Yvars have written that the centre will take up to 50,000 square metres at Abbey Mills in West Ham. The mosque and the surrounding buildings are expected to have a capacity of 70,000. This is only 10,000 fewer than the Olympic stadium itself, making it the largest place of worship in all of Europe .
There is a lot of complaining.
But what will really happen if the mosque is allowed to go up in West Ham? Tablighi Jamaat, who plan to use the site as their new European headquarters, have a history of taking over towns. If the mosque is built, there is little question that West Ham will be Islamicised.
Tablighi Jamaat’s current European headquarters is in the Savile Town area of Dewsbury, west Yorkshire , where a mosque and school were built in the late 70s and early 80s. Since then, the area has been practically taken over by Muslims. One local expert said that Savile Town has been colonised by Tablighi Jamaat.
>>This is silly. If it was another cathedral, there wouldn’t be a
>>story, let alone an outcry.
There would be here. DU is an equal-opportunity religion-hating forum.
How is a story about a giant mosque in London being turned into some horrible thing? What did they do wrong? There’s a lot of muslims in England and they’re getting a place of worship. I’m an atheist, but the only problem I have with this is the racist nature of the editorializing.
I’m kind of suprised there haven’t been any complaints about the AdSense “eShakti” thing off to the left. After all, Shakti is the female incarnation of the Hindu ***GOD***
Woo! Gettin’ soft on the believers, here!
I have no problems with Muslims, and them practising their religion, but what I do have a problem is the extremist Muslims paying for the backing of this mosque.
BTW this is old news and it won’t happen anyway….
#24 – William Tildesley
It’s nothing different from American Christian extremists who are sending money to other countries to promote Christianity. And btw… not too many years ago, American Catholics were sending money and weapons to IRA…
Read these two books:
Londonistan, by Melanie Phillips
and
While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying The West From Within, by Bruce Bawer
These two books will scare the crap out of you about radical Islamists and how they’ve already started taking over Europe slowly but surely, and eyeing North America as their next goal, all in the name of a worldwide Islamic caliphate.
Well I guess you reap what you sow
Not too surprising
But then the surprises are on their way and we are part way there
Missing the point. Radical Muslims can be dangerous. They believe they are “magically” right and therefore you can’t argue and find a rational logical “middle ground” because there is no middle to a magical truth. But radical Christians, Jews and Hindu’s are EVERY BIT as bad. They all believe they are MAGICALLY right and are on gods side. Don’t you get that? The terrorists who flew the planes into NY thought THEY were the good guys…the people they murdered were the ‘bad guys’ and the people doing the killing were the ‘good guys’. Religion and ONLY religion give you that out. All religions should be baned. It’s long time we grew up as a race and stopped killing over stupid made up children’s stories. Grow up. There is not a magic invisible head floating in the sky telling us to eat or not eat bacon. Dang.
…and the sheik shall inherit the Earth.
If you think technology isn’t going to cause the world to become one big racial melting pot dominated by such unstoppable numbers as China’s 1.3 billion people, think again:
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LEE, WONG, CHAN, SMITH, KIM, CHEN,GILL, LI, BROWN, JOHNSON, WANG
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Since we all get only one vote.
I don’t need no stinking law degree for political power.
I need another 20 kids.
RBG
28. If I was on a deserted island with a religious believer of “thou shalt not kill,” and also an atheist who believed morals are simply an artificial man-made concept, I’d be terrified of the atheist.
RBG
It’s disappointing, disturbing actually that the most misogynistic, sexist, illiberal, homophobic, and hate filled religion continues to grow around the world. Parts of the UK are now so islamicised that they have gone beyond mere ghettos and now feel like different countries. To say they are unfriendly, threatening places is an understatement.
As a non religious person (frankly religion is for the weak minded and foolish) I think it’s a terrible tragedy that any of these stone age cults still exists, but islam is the worst of the lot by quite some distance. Education could be one way to curtail it, at least in the west, but now we have islamic schools with their own special curriculum filled with the same brainwashing and hocus pocus that have been used to abuse children with for centuries.
Yes I’m fatalistic, but I don’t see a positive future for us a species if with all the environmental issues we face we’re still clinging onto incredibly outdated beliefs in magic and bullshit.
#30 I am confused by your statement. I am an atheist yet I don’t think humans can escape from a morality, assuming moral systems are ethno/genetic/cultural gifts to all humanity. Our moral code is part of our identity. It IS our identity. A normal human, that is, a nonsociapath or otherwise someone not suffering from an abnormal pathology, can not not have an identity.
Our morality is not merely a contingency but a necessary byproduct of human consciousness.
As to whether I would chose to be on an island with an atheist or a believer, I am not certain. I think I would chose the atheist. We would have much in common.
Also, I think that the mental space required to deny a cultural idiom implies a rational mind that the believer can not be assumed to possess.
Along these same lines, I would prefer a more stable companion. In my experience, the religious are prone to respond to emotions in a more fundamental mode than the rational. I have seen sober men and women on witch-hunts and watched mass delusion unfold.
Bryan Carney
whooo…. nothing gets as many comments as a nice religious flame war.
alas, here’s mine:
I was hoping to see the end of religion in my lifetime, brought to us by the exploding scientific knowledge which is setting out to show us the beauty of everything we see around us in such a marvelous way, that it is ridiculous to think such a fairy-tail thing as “god”.
But no. We’re obviously seeing a worldwide growth of religious power, brought to us by the uneducated masses everywhere. That’s where the initial movement started and now here, the weak, the frightened and the stupid gather under the wings of the christian churches again, hoping to be protected from their muslim brother-foes.
I will stick to the old Nietzsche word “I will only enter that building when the bright sunlight shines through the scattered windows”.
Churches (and not only christians) to Ruins! Worldwide!
pj
#12 Rich These are the people who drove off the Nazis.
What have the Russian to do with anything? They drove off the Nazi’s. We just let the Nazi’s bomb for a few years while waited and waited for our American cousins to come to our aid, which they did….. eventually.
As for the building, a nice building. As for the Islamification of the UK, I think you’ll find that Muslims, from any part of the world, become British a lot more quickly that the British will ever become Muslim.
I should also be very surprised if in four generations from now British Muslim women are still keeping their eye’s down, staying at home, not wanting to work, and doing all those things that some clerics seem to think Muslim women should do. I’ll also be surprised if many Muslim men are really going to choose a life of no-sex-before-marriage and no drinking…..
There is a reason why the radicals are resorting to terrorism….. they know they are fighting a war they cannot win…..
#31, #33 and the likes, you should take time to learn Islam (could be hard since you’ve already concluded that Islam/religion is for the weak minded). Like a lot of things in this world, it should be looked at in totality. There’s nothing wrong with Islam. It’s the interpretation of men that skews it. I’m a Muslim, and I find allegations such as “misogynistic, sexist, illiberal, homophobic, and hate filled religion” to be untrue. I find it unjust for people to generalize other people without knowing the whole matter in hand. And why are the ‘non-believers’ trying so hard to convince/attract/argue the ‘believers’ to go the other way??
You have the right to say what you wish about what you believe in, and I also have the right to defend what I believe in.
Anyway, there no threat about a mosque. People who do bad/evil things are not related to where they are. They just do.
@35 – I have looked into islam, which is how I have been able to conclude that it’s such an unpleasant set of supernatural and warped beliefs. The koran makes no issue of killing non believers, it’s positively encouraged. And there can be few people who can think the treatment of women and homosexuals in islamic states (who follow sharia/islamic law) is anything but brutal and inhuman.
As for atheists converting believers, it’s more a case of atheists saying ‘look at the evidence’. Once you do that, the only conclusion a rational, intelligent mind can reach, is that religion is the creation of primitive mankind, and was designed in part to explain the then ‘mysteries’ of the world, and also to control the peasants and keep them in check.
Just imagine for a minute a world without religion. Nice, isn’t it?
We are all going to end up speaking Chinese anyway so whats the point worrying about this. Anyway I think I prefer living in a country where we don’t have fanatical christians running the country, those guys are really frightening – look to your own country !
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#38: which god said so?
and #32, don’t be confused. It’s actually the religiously indoctrinated people, oblivious of the Greek philosophers, who think our morality today has roots in religion. We have developed morality despite such appalling books as “The Bible”. The Greek have done much of the work that was necessary to overcome the bronze age, the katholics have then kicked us back into the dark medieval times from which renaissance, focusing on Roman and Greek philosophy has catapulted us into modern times.
Religious morality does not ab initio include humanity, go read the old testament.
pj