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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1688520</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #105

&quot;what’s the link between fedora and tibet?&quot;

Ideology.

@ #107

You, dear Sir, are an idiot.</description>
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<p>&#8220;what’s the link between fedora and tibet?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ideology.</p>
<p>@ #107</p>
<p>You, dear Sir, are an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle larson</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1642874</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using Fedora since Core 1 and have never had an issue that couldn&#039;t be resolved. Once running, it is very dependable and is exactly what I want it to be.

Most issues that Windows users have with Linux is due to the fact that they are using a wrong expectation based on a biased experience of using Windows.

Complaining that Fedora is a problem is like going to a buffet restaurant and complaining that nobody is bringing food to you. If you want food served to you, go to a fancy restaurant with full waiting service, or hire a personal waiter. If you want to sample food on your own and pick and choose the best that you want by reading the food descriptions, then you don&#039;t sit on a table hoping that the right food will come to you.

I hope this helps understand what you need to expect from Linux, and you will not be so disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using Fedora since Core 1 and have never had an issue that couldn&#8217;t be resolved. Once running, it is very dependable and is exactly what I want it to be.</p>
<p>Most issues that Windows users have with Linux is due to the fact that they are using a wrong expectation based on a biased experience of using Windows.</p>
<p>Complaining that Fedora is a problem is like going to a buffet restaurant and complaining that nobody is bringing food to you. If you want food served to you, go to a fancy restaurant with full waiting service, or hire a personal waiter. If you want to sample food on your own and pick and choose the best that you want by reading the food descriptions, then you don&#8217;t sit on a table hoping that the right food will come to you.</p>
<p>I hope this helps understand what you need to expect from Linux, and you will not be so disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Der</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1566547</link>
		<dc:creator>Der</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, but on windows you need to install a nvidia driver for that card to be accelerated.&quot;

Like going to the manufacturer&#039;s website, selecting your OS and downloading the driver is such a complicated task.

Idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, but on windows you need to install a nvidia driver for that card to be accelerated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like going to the manufacturer&#8217;s website, selecting your OS and downloading the driver is such a complicated task.</p>
<p>Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Inchirieri masini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inchirieri masini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s the link between fedora and tibet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s the link between fedora and tibet?</p>
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		<title>By: tibet tour</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1419875</link>
		<dc:creator>tibet tour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to go to tibet tour? You can rely on us! We are expert in tour in tibet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to go to tibet tour? You can rely on us! We are expert in tour in tibet.</p>
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		<title>By: Withheld</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1323454</link>
		<dc:creator>Withheld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a Fedora 6 user and have been beating my head against the wall with Fedora 8.  Fedora 8 issues include (i386, KDE): logout button stops working (temp fix is to install gnome and developer packages but that doesn&#039;t seem to work), start menu disappeared on a user account - it is just gone, too many crap programs with always the useful one disappearing (Network Device Control), DVD playing problems that were not an issue under Fedora 6.  I dabbled with Fedora 9 but KDE4 is just not ready.  If I wanted to be constrained and entertained by a GUI, I wouldn&#039;t be running KDE.  It attempts to do a lot of things the mac way.  It is so sad when bad programmers copy each other.  Anyway, my hopes for an up-to-date, menu-driven GUI are going to have to met elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Fedora 6 user and have been beating my head against the wall with Fedora 8.  Fedora 8 issues include (i386, KDE): logout button stops working (temp fix is to install gnome and developer packages but that doesn&#8217;t seem to work), start menu disappeared on a user account &#8211; it is just gone, too many crap programs with always the useful one disappearing (Network Device Control), DVD playing problems that were not an issue under Fedora 6.  I dabbled with Fedora 9 but KDE4 is just not ready.  If I wanted to be constrained and entertained by a GUI, I wouldn&#8217;t be running KDE.  It attempts to do a lot of things the mac way.  It is so sad when bad programmers copy each other.  Anyway, my hopes for an up-to-date, menu-driven GUI are going to have to met elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: sniffsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1258850</link>
		<dc:creator>sniffsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Fedora user too but Fedora 8 is too shitty ! I can&#039;t make my work on it. I prefer Windows instead of Fedora 8. OK I lied, I prefer Fedora 8.

 _____________
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://carental.ro/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;masini de inchiriat otopeni&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Fedora user too but Fedora 8 is too shitty ! I can&#8217;t make my work on it. I prefer Windows instead of Fedora 8. OK I lied, I prefer Fedora 8.</p>
<p> _____________<br />
 <a href="http://carental.ro/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">masini de inchiriat otopeni</a></p>
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		<title>By: jo de France</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-6/#comment-1148490</link>
		<dc:creator>jo de France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fedora 9 live CD is 690MB so fits easily on CD

i don&#039;t remember the size of the version 8 one. At the time of Fedora 8, I only tried it on USB media, not CD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fedora 9 live CD is 690MB so fits easily on CD</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t remember the size of the version 8 one. At the time of Fedora 8, I only tried it on USB media, not CD.</p>
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		<title>By: Shining</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-5/#comment-1122826</link>
		<dc:creator>Shining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 03:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using Fedora 8 currently. And I found it was great but not that perfect. Trust me, Fedora is growing and things will be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using Fedora 8 currently. And I found it was great but not that perfect. Trust me, Fedora is growing and things will be different.</p>
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		<title>By: rohitvan</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-5/#comment-1106371</link>
		<dc:creator>rohitvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i completely agree with the views of this author,
i myself am frustrated with the fedora 8.IT hangs up on my sytem too often which is not the case with the windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i completely agree with the views of this author,<br />
i myself am frustrated with the fedora 8.IT hangs up on my sytem too often which is not the case with the windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Lu</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-5/#comment-1068928</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have experienced the same failures described in this article using kubuntu 6.10 and suse 10.2. I have tried mandriva 2007 (the spring version too) and all of them have presented major failures.
The only linux that has worked with some kind of stability for me is Sabayon, and I don&#039;t have any sound if I boot Sabayon when the computer has already been used for a while.

My problem isn&#039;t Linux, it&#039;s the way it&#039;s publicited. Like an stable OS, with no bugs, and very eficient. When I used SUSE the RAM was used up to 800MB, now 600MB with Sabayon, while XP doesn&#039;t goes higher than 400MB. I konw that there are process running, why not to say the same thing about Windows? (Vista is really different).

Linux is relativelly good for being free (in most of the cases), but it&#039;s no better than XP (nor Vista).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have experienced the same failures described in this article using kubuntu 6.10 and suse 10.2. I have tried mandriva 2007 (the spring version too) and all of them have presented major failures.<br />
The only linux that has worked with some kind of stability for me is Sabayon, and I don&#8217;t have any sound if I boot Sabayon when the computer has already been used for a while.</p>
<p>My problem isn&#8217;t Linux, it&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s publicited. Like an stable OS, with no bugs, and very eficient. When I used SUSE the RAM was used up to 800MB, now 600MB with Sabayon, while XP doesn&#8217;t goes higher than 400MB. I konw that there are process running, why not to say the same thing about Windows? (Vista is really different).</p>
<p>Linux is relativelly good for being free (in most of the cases), but it&#8217;s no better than XP (nor Vista).</p>
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		<title>By: lucentuser</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/11/08/does-fedora-8-deserve-intellectual-welfare/comment-page-5/#comment-1041479</link>
		<dc:creator>lucentuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just works for me.

I have installed Fedora on AMD and Intel based systems.  I have seen no problems with sound or input devices on any of the laptops, workstations, or servers that I have installed it on.  I have found Fedora 8 to be fast, stable and reliable.

It even worked great on my Dell Insprion 1520, and correctly configured the video for the built in Intel video chipset out of the box, correctly setting up my 15.4 inch widescreen.
It also correctly adjusted for my 20 inch widescreen LCD.

The Truth is, it doesn&#039;t, &quot;JUST WORK.&quot;  Individuals, Groups, Companies all work hard to MAKE their products compatible with the widest range of hardware possible.  It is simply not possible to cover all hardware combinations, especially all in one integrated logic boards.

All operating systems have a list of known hardware that they work with.
Windows NT had a Hardware compatibility list.  Windows 2000, XP and Vista do as well.  OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD all have hardware compatibility lists.

OEM&#039;s like AMD and Intel do as well.

As a consumer, you certainly have the right to buy any hardware you like and hope it will work, but I do not have the money to throw away.

I look to see what is going to be compatible with my hardware before upgrading.  I have skipped working with several revs of Fedora Core, because of quality issues.

Fedora 8 is a great step forward for Redhat.

I am back using Fedora 8 because for me it just works great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just works for me.</p>
<p>I have installed Fedora on AMD and Intel based systems.  I have seen no problems with sound or input devices on any of the laptops, workstations, or servers that I have installed it on.  I have found Fedora 8 to be fast, stable and reliable.</p>
<p>It even worked great on my Dell Insprion 1520, and correctly configured the video for the built in Intel video chipset out of the box, correctly setting up my 15.4 inch widescreen.<br />
It also correctly adjusted for my 20 inch widescreen LCD.</p>
<p>The Truth is, it doesn&#8217;t, &#8220;JUST WORK.&#8221;  Individuals, Groups, Companies all work hard to MAKE their products compatible with the widest range of hardware possible.  It is simply not possible to cover all hardware combinations, especially all in one integrated logic boards.</p>
<p>All operating systems have a list of known hardware that they work with.<br />
Windows NT had a Hardware compatibility list.  Windows 2000, XP and Vista do as well.  OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD all have hardware compatibility lists.</p>
<p>OEM&#8217;s like AMD and Intel do as well.</p>
<p>As a consumer, you certainly have the right to buy any hardware you like and hope it will work, but I do not have the money to throw away.</p>
<p>I look to see what is going to be compatible with my hardware before upgrading.  I have skipped working with several revs of Fedora Core, because of quality issues.</p>
<p>Fedora 8 is a great step forward for Redhat.</p>
<p>I am back using Fedora 8 because for me it just works great.</p>
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		<title>By: DM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never had video problems wit Linux Or Windows XP..Humm, Maybe the ones who said it&#039;s your video card are right. Linux (In my short experience with it anyways) has not giving me a problem. I have noticed that Linux can be fussy at times. (Well so can Windows XP at that matter). I my humble opinion each OS has it Attributes Of good and fault. The only thing that has got me is the vagueness of help in Linux. They (The developers ) Should fully describe how to fix problems with out going to a thousand vague postings on the internet. (Microsoft does this via tech net..etc.) May be there should be a base set of installation specifications and trouble shooting pages for all distributions. I don&#039;t how ever think Any OS sucks.. I think I (The customer and User) Should have the choice of what I want to use..Windows is Cool Up to XP) I us it on a daily basis.MAC OS X is cool I don&#039;t get to use it much MAC hardware is unfortunately way expensive for me. Linux Is Cool too I use it a lot for internet. I think all theses Operating systems/Hardware formats have a place on the computer market. Neither is actually &quot;Superior&quot; to the other. May be it is just &quot;Intellectual warfare&quot; Or Someone trying to justify why he/she is using a OS..Maybe these type should think I use (Insert OS/Hardware format here) Because I choose to us this and I like it and if some one chooses another OS/Hardware format thats cool for them.

Thanks you for tolerating my little rant here. I always wanted to express this. I been using PCs since the early 80&#039;s (Yes I remember the Apple ][s the commodore 64s  the early Macintosh ..etc.) I have seen formats (Including Video Game plate forms) So I know what I want to use..I am  not going to let someone make the choice for me not some Linux fans boy..Not some Mac Fans boy..Not Microsoft..No one. So don&#039;t try to sell me my OS is superior.. I say No it all the same just a different approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never had video problems wit Linux Or Windows XP..Humm, Maybe the ones who said it&#8217;s your video card are right. Linux (In my short experience with it anyways) has not giving me a problem. I have noticed that Linux can be fussy at times. (Well so can Windows XP at that matter). I my humble opinion each OS has it Attributes Of good and fault. The only thing that has got me is the vagueness of help in Linux. They (The developers ) Should fully describe how to fix problems with out going to a thousand vague postings on the internet. (Microsoft does this via tech net..etc.) May be there should be a base set of installation specifications and trouble shooting pages for all distributions. I don&#8217;t how ever think Any OS sucks.. I think I (The customer and User) Should have the choice of what I want to use..Windows is Cool Up to XP) I us it on a daily basis.MAC OS X is cool I don&#8217;t get to use it much MAC hardware is unfortunately way expensive for me. Linux Is Cool too I use it a lot for internet. I think all theses Operating systems/Hardware formats have a place on the computer market. Neither is actually &#8220;Superior&#8221; to the other. May be it is just &#8220;Intellectual warfare&#8221; Or Someone trying to justify why he/she is using a OS..Maybe these type should think I use (Insert OS/Hardware format here) Because I choose to us this and I like it and if some one chooses another OS/Hardware format thats cool for them.</p>
<p>Thanks you for tolerating my little rant here. I always wanted to express this. I been using PCs since the early 80&#8242;s (Yes I remember the Apple ][s the commodore 64s  the early Macintosh ..etc.) I have seen formats (Including Video Game plate forms) So I know what I want to use..I am  not going to let someone make the choice for me not some Linux fans boy..Not some Mac Fans boy..Not Microsoft..No one. So don&#8217;t try to sell me my OS is superior.. I say No it all the same just a different approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Captnemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captnemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with computers and software, like any tool - you got to be smarter than what your working with! 

Linux (like unix) is better than windows will ever be.

Signed, from the keyboard of a Redneck built machine. (Running Fedora 8) 
Adios - Bozos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with computers and software, like any tool &#8211; you got to be smarter than what your working with! </p>
<p>Linux (like unix) is better than windows will ever be.</p>
<p>Signed, from the keyboard of a Redneck built machine. (Running Fedora <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Adios &#8211; Bozos</p>
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		<title>By: test</title>
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		<dc:creator>test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 21 wiscados said, on November 9th, 2007 at 2:12 am PIBKAC


haha what? its PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair), wtf is PIBKAC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 21 wiscados said, on November 9th, 2007 at 2:12 am PIBKAC</p>
<p>haha what? its PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair), wtf is PIBKAC?</p>
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