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		<title>By: TIHZ_HO</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-2/#comment-916238</link>
		<dc:creator>TIHZ_HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 Yadda Yadda Yadda.

I am sure that you have been to Iran and spoke to many Iranians.  No?

I haven&#039;t been to Iran but I have spoke to many Iranian business people at trade shows and our Turkish clients do a business with Iran and I hear the same thing.  &quot;Don&#039;t confuse the (idiot) president with the people.&quot; Seems Iran has the same problem that the US has. ;)

The US attacked Iraq under false pretenses, WMD, correct?  But hell Saddam was a bad guy anyway so the end justified the means right? Would it not have been better to get closer to Iran before sending in the troops to Iraq? Ask any cop responding to a domestic disturbance call from the beaten wife they must be careful as she could turn on the cops if they are rough on the husband. See the point? I guess not.

Getting closer with Iran does a lot more in the middle east then not. &quot;Keep your friends close and your enemies closer&quot; Better to have Iran inside pissing out than outside pissing in.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 Yadda Yadda Yadda.</p>
<p>I am sure that you have been to Iran and spoke to many Iranians.  No?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been to Iran but I have spoke to many Iranian business people at trade shows and our Turkish clients do a business with Iran and I hear the same thing.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t confuse the (idiot) president with the people.&#8221; Seems Iran has the same problem that the US has. <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The US attacked Iraq under false pretenses, WMD, correct?  But hell Saddam was a bad guy anyway so the end justified the means right? Would it not have been better to get closer to Iran before sending in the troops to Iraq? Ask any cop responding to a domestic disturbance call from the beaten wife they must be careful as she could turn on the cops if they are rough on the husband. See the point? I guess not.</p>
<p>Getting closer with Iran does a lot more in the middle east then not. &#8220;Keep your friends close and your enemies closer&#8221; Better to have Iran inside pissing out than outside pissing in.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Selvy</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-2/#comment-915987</link>
		<dc:creator>Selvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it was more than taking down Iraq--it also took us taking a ship bound for Libya that had a few nuclear-related no-no&#039;s on it in order for Libya to do an about-face. Even so, the &#039;conversion&#039; is sketchy. Or it would be except Al-Qaida has aligned against him.

(Btw, Omar didn&#039;t completely change his stripes after the tent-missile either. He just stopped being so blatantly &#039;Chavez&#039; about things.)

Most Americans would gladly not worry about Iran *except* for the fact that the Iranians are state-sponsorers of terrorists. Did you people forget about Hezbollah and Hamas? Did you people forget about how Iran is sheltering members of Al-Qaida? Does anyone remember the concern about suicide bombers going off in the US should we challenge them, based on the fact that they already have sleeper cells here since before 9/11?

How much more difficult if we&#039;re put in a position to take them on if they have full nuclear capability. 

It isn&#039;t an enviable position to be in. Iran exerts influence in Iraq and Lebanon, to the point that Saudi Arabia and others are seriously considering nukes of their own. And Iran can already threaten the world economy without the use of nukes. They&#039;ve developed plans to asymmetrically attack US ships in the Red Sea through use of boat &#039;swarms&#039;, not to mention the usual (mines, etc.).

So...if Iran was a regular nation-state we probably wouldn&#039;t care. Except it sponsors terror AND his leader thinks he&#039;s the Islamic messiah to usher in a new age where there is no Israel---you may not care about that last little detail, but either way Iran is not a &#039;quaint&#039; little country.

When their government moderates or is overthrown perhaps it will be a moot point. In the meantime Europe will do what it will in North Africa while telling itself that diplomacy is the only way with Iran. Years of talk have done nothing to stop them, and the situation will only get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it was more than taking down Iraq&#8211;it also took us taking a ship bound for Libya that had a few nuclear-related no-no&#8217;s on it in order for Libya to do an about-face. Even so, the &#8216;conversion&#8217; is sketchy. Or it would be except Al-Qaida has aligned against him.</p>
<p>(Btw, Omar didn&#8217;t completely change his stripes after the tent-missile either. He just stopped being so blatantly &#8216;Chavez&#8217; about things.)</p>
<p>Most Americans would gladly not worry about Iran *except* for the fact that the Iranians are state-sponsorers of terrorists. Did you people forget about Hezbollah and Hamas? Did you people forget about how Iran is sheltering members of Al-Qaida? Does anyone remember the concern about suicide bombers going off in the US should we challenge them, based on the fact that they already have sleeper cells here since before 9/11?</p>
<p>How much more difficult if we&#8217;re put in a position to take them on if they have full nuclear capability. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t an enviable position to be in. Iran exerts influence in Iraq and Lebanon, to the point that Saudi Arabia and others are seriously considering nukes of their own. And Iran can already threaten the world economy without the use of nukes. They&#8217;ve developed plans to asymmetrically attack US ships in the Red Sea through use of boat &#8216;swarms&#8217;, not to mention the usual (mines, etc.).</p>
<p>So&#8230;if Iran was a regular nation-state we probably wouldn&#8217;t care. Except it sponsors terror AND his leader thinks he&#8217;s the Islamic messiah to usher in a new age where there is no Israel&#8212;you may not care about that last little detail, but either way Iran is not a &#8216;quaint&#8217; little country.</p>
<p>When their government moderates or is overthrown perhaps it will be a moot point. In the meantime Europe will do what it will in North Africa while telling itself that diplomacy is the only way with Iran. Years of talk have done nothing to stop them, and the situation will only get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: TIHZ_HO</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-2/#comment-915974</link>
		<dc:creator>TIHZ_HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 Well said. Muslim Indonesians have Christmas day off as it is a national holiday and have no problem with Christmas, Santa,  decorations and the like.

When I worked there I was told by many Muslim Indonesians that Christmas was a great time of the year (also near their Idel-fitri Festival) so what is wrong with giving and getting presents, Santa and singing songs?  They did not see any of this as a threat to Islam; Jesus was a great teacher and should be respected. 

This is a lesson for many.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 Well said. Muslim Indonesians have Christmas day off as it is a national holiday and have no problem with Christmas, Santa,  decorations and the like.</p>
<p>When I worked there I was told by many Muslim Indonesians that Christmas was a great time of the year (also near their Idel-fitri Festival) so what is wrong with giving and getting presents, Santa and singing songs?  They did not see any of this as a threat to Islam; Jesus was a great teacher and should be respected. </p>
<p>This is a lesson for many.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-915260</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Useless piece of information of the day</description>
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		<title>By: spruiked</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-914745</link>
		<dc:creator>spruiked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7: do you even realise that the largest muslim population in the world is indonesia, a modern progressive TOLERANT society? some of you  guys are such ignorant bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7: do you even realise that the largest muslim population in the world is indonesia, a modern progressive TOLERANT society? some of you  guys are such ignorant bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: TIHZ_HO</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-914574</link>
		<dc:creator>TIHZ_HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That could have been the US getting that deal and the money and the benefits. Better to have Iran as a trading partner, everyone else is. 

It seems the US thinks it knows best about everything and is the best at anything. However American know how got up and left to be manufactured in China.

#14 Attack and the threat of same is not the answer as Hitler later found out. 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That could have been the US getting that deal and the money and the benefits. Better to have Iran as a trading partner, everyone else is. </p>
<p>It seems the US thinks it knows best about everything and is the best at anything. However American know how got up and left to be manufactured in China.</p>
<p>#14 Attack and the threat of same is not the answer as Hitler later found out. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-914103</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 you are not planning about owning any cars in Paris, are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 you are not planning about owning any cars in Paris, are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillep</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-913961</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer, you want to move to Andalusia? The Moslems figure that is part of dar al Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer, you want to move to Andalusia? The Moslems figure that is part of dar al Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: the answer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-913913</link>
		<dc:creator>the answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I don&#039;t move to Portugal, then I&#039;m moving to Paris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I don&#8217;t move to Portugal, then I&#8217;m moving to Paris.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I wonder what caused Libya to give up its nuke development and join the world community?  Could it be Khadafi was scared by what happened in Iraq?  And the President dropped sanctions in exchange!  I thought he was a neo-con that would only invade, insisting on demcoracy?

And now the intelligence agencies are telling us that Iran stopped its nuclear weapons program around the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I wonder what caused Libya to give up its nuke development and join the world community?  Could it be Khadafi was scared by what happened in Iraq?  And the President dropped sanctions in exchange!  I thought he was a neo-con that would only invade, insisting on demcoracy?</p>
<p>And now the intelligence agencies are telling us that Iran stopped its nuclear weapons program around the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillep</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-913791</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. They just did not draw attention to Clinton&#039;s flaws the way they do Bush&#039;s.

So, how many of the people who are for gun control in the US also are in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons? Do you trust murderous, right wing religious fanatics more than you trust average citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. They just did not draw attention to Clinton&#8217;s flaws the way they do Bush&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So, how many of the people who are for gun control in the US also are in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons? Do you trust murderous, right wing religious fanatics more than you trust average citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it suprise anyone to know that the U.S. does not object to Iran building nuclear reactors.

All the fuss is about what Iran intends to do as part of its nuclear research program - and whether they intend to use the byproducts of the nuclear power stations to build weapons.

The U.S. claims that Iran is trying to develop weapons-grade enriched uranium. You don&#039;t need weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear reactor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it suprise anyone to know that the U.S. does not object to Iran building nuclear reactors.</p>
<p>All the fuss is about what Iran intends to do as part of its nuclear research program &#8211; and whether they intend to use the byproducts of the nuclear power stations to build weapons.</p>
<p>The U.S. claims that Iran is trying to develop weapons-grade enriched uranium. You don&#8217;t need weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear reactor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-913733</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, please!  He&#039;s The Decider or The Commander Guy...

Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, please!  He&#8217;s The Decider or The Commander Guy&#8230;</p>
<p>Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/11/france-libya-nuclear-deal-signed/comment-page-1/#comment-913715</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 yeap. This is one of those things that are good for getting a chair, camly sit down until the show begins. It&#039;s gonna be a hoot.

#5 the same one who allowed that comment??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 yeap. This is one of those things that are good for getting a chair, camly sit down until the show begins. It&#8217;s gonna be a hoot.</p>
<p>#5 the same one who allowed that comment??</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;(Of course most people don’t know he 
&gt;&gt;pronounced it that way;

Tee hee!  Man, you are desperate.  What did &quot;the media&quot; do, have a voice-over guy dub in &quot;nuclear&quot; in all his speeches?  And how did they get past the personal appearance thing?

Can&#039;t be a leftie-commie drive-by media thing; they didn&#039;t cover it up for Jimmeh Cahtah.

Or maybe they just burned out trying to cover it up for the Chimperor in Chief; every sentence he utters is filled with so many grammatical, syntactic, logical, and pronunciation errors that it would not be possible to cover them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;(Of course most people don’t know he<br />
&gt;&gt;pronounced it that way;</p>
<p>Tee hee!  Man, you are desperate.  What did &#8220;the media&#8221; do, have a voice-over guy dub in &#8220;nuclear&#8221; in all his speeches?  And how did they get past the personal appearance thing?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t be a leftie-commie drive-by media thing; they didn&#8217;t cover it up for Jimmeh Cahtah.</p>
<p>Or maybe they just burned out trying to cover it up for the Chimperor in Chief; every sentence he utters is filled with so many grammatical, syntactic, logical, and pronunciation errors that it would not be possible to cover them up.</p>
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