Comments on: FireWire speeds set to quadruple http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:22:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: RickCain http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-925984 RickCain Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:42:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-925984 Firewire is fine as it is, but the industry decided to embrace the braindead USB standard so now PC's have at best 1 firewire port, and 8 USB ports plus a bunch of headers on the mobo for more USB, none of which work properly without the usual ritual of trying to find drivers on the internet, wondering why my USB 1.1 pen drive won't work in the USB 2.0 port, and the old "install driver first, then plug in device" which really makes no sense at all except to the idiots at microsoft. Firewire is fine as it is, but the industry decided to embrace the braindead USB standard so now PC’s have at best 1 firewire port, and 8 USB ports plus a bunch of headers on the mobo for more USB, none of which work properly without the usual ritual of trying to find drivers on the internet, wondering why my USB 1.1 pen drive won’t work in the USB 2.0 port, and the old “install driver first, then plug in device” which really makes no sense at all except to the idiots at microsoft.

]]> By: the Three-Headed Cat http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-924543 the Three-Headed Cat Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:28:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-924543 #20 - Named "Yes, and your mac has what kind of firewire mouse again? I guess you’re a young punk or a moron but you don’t remember how Apple pushed USB along all their platforms? No? Well, they did. In fact, they were amongst the first to push USB floppy drive. And mice. And keyboards. And everything USB. Did I say anything was wrong with Firewire? no. What I said was that USB has its use too, but you’re so deep in Steve Jobs kool-aid you took insult where there is none. Way to you. You win." Gee, that's nice. Now that you've got that out of your system, go take a minute or two and look up which company came up with FireWire. And which company was the first to make FW standard on their boxes? (Hint: it's the same company) :) #20 – Named

“Yes, and your mac has what kind of firewire mouse again? I guess you’re a young punk or a moron but you don’t remember how Apple pushed USB along all their platforms? No? Well, they did. In fact, they were amongst the first to push USB floppy drive. And mice. And keyboards. And everything USB.

Did I say anything was wrong with Firewire? no. What I said was that USB has its use too, but you’re so deep in Steve Jobs kool-aid you took insult where there is none. Way to you. You win.”

Gee, that’s nice.

Now that you’ve got that out of your system, go take a minute or two and look up which company came up with FireWire. And which company was the first to make FW standard on their boxes? (Hint: it’s the same company) :)

]]> By: downlowfunk http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-924496 downlowfunk Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:05:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-924496 Gotta Say I aint ever seen a Hard Drive that can do 480mbps, 800,mbps etc. So??? WHO CARES. Standards are key!!! Gotta Say I aint ever seen a Hard Drive that can do 480mbps, 800,mbps etc. So??? WHO CARES. Standards are key!!!

]]> By: Mister Apple FanBoy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-924397 Mister Apple FanBoy Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-924397 When you plug a USB device in a Mac it just works, no dumb ass messages, no hangs, no WTF? Take that Vistards! When you plug a USB device in a Mac it just works, no dumb ass messages, no hangs, no WTF? Take that Vistards!

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-923775 GetSmart Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:48:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923775 Minor caveat about USB version numbers nowadays. The old USB 2.0 high speed standard is NOW the 2.1 high speed standard. The OLD 1.0 original low speed standard IS NOW CALLED 2.0!!!!! That el cheapo 2.0 flashdrive you just bought may be slower than frozen polar bear snot. Firewire is great for audio production too. And I will mercifully NOT subject you guys to any of my audio projects. You're welcome. Minor caveat about USB version numbers nowadays. The old USB 2.0 high speed standard is NOW the 2.1 high speed standard. The OLD 1.0 original low speed standard IS NOW CALLED 2.0!!!!! That el cheapo 2.0 flashdrive you just bought may be slower than frozen polar bear snot.
Firewire is great for audio production too. And I will mercifully NOT subject you guys to any of my audio projects. You’re welcome.

]]> By: TIHZ_HO http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-2/#comment-923753 TIHZ_HO Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:23:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923753 BestBuy, Radio Shack and others like them make their money from cables etc. Radio Shack especially push batteries and sales people have battery sales quotas. It is what it is. If UPS wasn't so damn expensive from China I would see about a internet cable business as cables here are extremely cheap and a very good quality - they are the normal non-BestBuy price. EG: A DVI to DVI monitor cable is about $3 - a Monster looking DVI to DVI is about $8~10. Cheers BestBuy, Radio Shack and others like them make their money from cables etc.

Radio Shack especially push batteries and sales people have battery sales quotas.

It is what it is.

If UPS wasn’t so damn expensive from China I would see about a internet cable business as cables here are extremely cheap and a very good quality – they are the normal non-BestBuy price. EG: A DVI to DVI monitor cable is about $3 – a Monster looking DVI to DVI is about $8~10.

Cheers

]]> By: Named http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923639 Named Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:12:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923639 6, Yes, and your mac has what kind of firewire mouse again? I guess you're a young punk or a moron but you don't remember how Apple pushed USB along all their platforms? No? Well, they did. In fact, they were amongst the first to push USB floppy drive. And mice. And keyboards. And everything USB. Did I say anything was wrong with Firewire? no. What I said was that USB has its use too, but you're so deep in Steve Jobs kool-aid you took insult where there is none. Way to you. You win. 6,

Yes, and your mac has what kind of firewire mouse again? I guess you’re a young punk or a moron but you don’t remember how Apple pushed USB along all their platforms? No? Well, they did. In fact, they were amongst the first to push USB floppy drive. And mice. And keyboards. And everything USB.

Did I say anything was wrong with Firewire? no. What I said was that USB has its use too, but you’re so deep in Steve Jobs kool-aid you took insult where there is none. Way to you. You win.

]]> By: Uncle Dave http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923637 Uncle Dave Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:11:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923637 I bought a 6' HDMI cable for something like $8 at Fry's. I bought a 6′ HDMI cable for something like $8 at Fry’s.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923602 GregA Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:26:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923602 #17 Well the last time I was at Best Buy a couple of weeks ago... I needed an HDMI cable. Holy crap, they didn't have a single HDMI cable for less than like $50. F-That! I went to circut city, and they stocked both Moster brand HDMI cables and misc china brand of HDMI cables. In the end, Circut City sold me a 3' HDMI cable for $10-$15 or what ever it cost. But the big purchases... No big box electronics retailers for me ever again. They have simply priced themselves out of the market. #17

Well the last time I was at Best Buy a couple of weeks ago…

I needed an HDMI cable. Holy crap, they didn’t have a single HDMI cable for less than like $50. F-That!

I went to circut city, and they stocked both Moster brand HDMI cables and misc china brand of HDMI cables. In the end, Circut City sold me a 3′ HDMI cable for $10-$15 or what ever it cost.

But the big purchases… No big box electronics retailers for me ever again. They have simply priced themselves out of the market.

]]> By: Uncle Dave http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923569 Uncle Dave Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:49:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923569 #16: Don't believe GregA? Go to http://consumerist.com/ and search for Best Buy. You'll be horrified by the shear volume of crap they pull. #16: Don’t believe GregA? Go to http://consumerist.com/ and search for Best Buy. You’ll be horrified by the shear volume of crap they pull.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923513 GregA Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:50:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923513 #15, Don't shop at Best Buy EVER. No really, Im not kidding, just don't do it. Even Circut City is not as bad as Best Buy. But really, it is 2007, why is anyone going to a big box electronics retailer anymore? Amazon is very consistently 20-30% less than Circut City and Best Buy prices, and in home electroncis that is serious cash. #15,

Don’t shop at Best Buy EVER. No really, Im not kidding, just don’t do it. Even Circut City is not as bad as Best Buy. But really, it is 2007, why is anyone going to a big box electronics retailer anymore? Amazon is very consistently 20-30% less than Circut City and Best Buy prices, and in home electroncis that is serious cash.

]]> By: Nate http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923492 Nate Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:33:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923492 #14: Great, now Best Buy can charge even more for the cables because they're "optical". #14: Great, now Best Buy can charge even more for the cables because they’re “optical”.

]]> By: Mrs. Paul http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923480 Mrs. Paul Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:26:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923480 USB 3.0 will be 10X faster, optical too. USB 3.0 will be 10X faster, optical too.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923453 Angel H. Wong Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:02:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923453 And how much royalty fees will manufacturers pay for each s3200 port they add to their machines? And how much royalty fees will manufacturers pay for each s3200 port they add to their machines?

]]> By: jdm http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/18/firewire-speeds-set-to-quadruple/comment-page-1/#comment-923442 jdm Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:47:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15129#comment-923442 S3200 will have DRM associated with it plain and simple. DRM-happy organizations (you know who) won't allow any new media or data transfer technologies to be released unless they support DRM. And IEEE 1394b (FW800) was not widely accepted because manufacturers charged too damn much for it. An external hard drive enclosure that supports IEEE 1394b might be priced 30% more than the same enclosure that only supports IEEE 1394a (FW400). The only difference between the two enclosures would be a single trace on the IEEE 1394 controller board. S3200 will have DRM associated with it plain and simple. DRM-happy organizations (you know who) won’t allow any new media or data transfer technologies to be released unless they support DRM.

And IEEE 1394b (FW800) was not widely accepted because manufacturers charged too damn much for it. An external hard drive enclosure that supports IEEE 1394b might be priced 30% more than the same enclosure that only supports IEEE 1394a (FW400). The only difference between the two enclosures would be a single trace on the IEEE 1394 controller board.

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