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Join the discussion on illegal immigration on Dvorak’s Cage Match.

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  1. Mister Catshit says:

    Many of the illegal immigrants use stolen ID. This causes untold problems for the actual person. Others use forged SS cards and numbers, a felony. When you suggest illegals only want to work, then they shouldn’t be using identification that isn’t theirs. This is no more a justifiable argument then my stealing food because I’m hungry.

    If the eviction of all illegal immigrants causes inflation or economic hardships, then so be it.

  2. Glenn E. says:

    There was one booth missing on the USA side. There should have been a “Go Army” stand. That’s what the US immigration policy will lead to next. They’ll be recuiting (or drafting) them into the military, to fight the wars we americans don’t want to fight. Because those will be the next, lowest paid jobs left, after outsourcing everything else to another country. And pretty soon these illegals will just be spending time in the USA, to earn enough money for a plane ride to europe. Because the Euro is going to beat the US Dollar into the ground. So our immigration problem, will very soon be France and England’s problem (and maybe Canada’s too).

  3. Named says:

    18,

    Not entirely true. One of the major reasons why manufacturing something in one part of the world and shipping it to another still provides cheaper goods is that all transport industries are totally deregulated to the point where most merchant ships are basically slave ships flying under flags of convenience for whichever awful country you choose. Hell, even CRUISE ships fly under foreign flags. Trucking is another industry that was totally deregulated, remove some tariffs due to NAFTA / FTA, and you’ve got yourself almost zero costs in shipping. Only THEN can you exploit foreign labour.

  4. Shawn says:

    Again, everyone on this board misses the point: these are ILLEGAL aliens. NOT the LEGAL ones. The US welcomes LEGAL aliens more so than any other country combined. If you don’t like the laws of the US the Constitution says you CAN change them, but you CAN NOT just break them because you feel like it.

    End of discussion.

    If ILLEGAL aliens are “undocumented workers” then a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist.

  5. eyeofthetiger says:

    http://immigrationcounters.com/

    Drinking game, anyone?

  6. sam says:

    Dr. Kevin Macdonald will tell you about the 1965 immigration act and ethnic interest group lobbying.
    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/

    The same people who brought Africans into France before world war one are bringing Mexicans into America.

  7. Thomas says:

    #12
    Clearly you are far from awake. Honestly, take some classes on economics.

    The US *still* welcomes low skilled laborers as long as they enter the country legally. No one is saying that legal immigrants are a problem. Your argument is akin to saying that law enforcement should leave organized crime alone because they create jobs.

    Outsourcing is an entirely different issue from that of illegal immigration. Outsourcing is being caused by communities and the country in general not being competitive in the global marketplace. Let’s suppose that we wave a magic pixie wand and entirely eliminate illegal immigration. In no way does that solve the problem that the cost of doing business in the US is more expensive in terms of labor, liabilities, taxes etc than in some other countries. At some level, you hit a tipping point where it makes sense for a business to move production overseas. The solution is to encourage companies to maintain production in the US and encourage other businesses to move production to the US. If you cannot or are unwilling to change the cost of labor in a labor intensive industry, then the incentives have to come from somewhere else.

    > You want to protect American jobs, it
    > actually makes much more sense to
    > vote Democrat.

    I blew my coffee over my desk when I read that. Increasing taxes will have the exact opposite effect on American jobs. If you want to protect American jobs, vote for someone that will encourage businesses to stay in the US by keeping taxes low.

    #18
    If low income workers help the economy, then why don’t we lower the minimum wage? Why *depend* on people breaking the law just so your produce is cheaper?

  8. hhopper says:

    Hey!! Why don’t you guys take this over to Cage Match? It’s a much better format for arguing and you can post photos.

  9. pedro says:

    I got fed up of the cage match forums long ago. I see that you’re all desperately trying to revive that. Thanks, but no, thanks.

  10. zaw says:

    I’m a immigrant also. I also know some of the Mexican legal immigrants, compare to the way how they get to this country with my way, I think its harder for Mexican to come here legally.

    I got here less then a year of paperwork. My Mexican friends took 6 years of paperwork.

  11. RickCain says:

    The whole immigration issue is a load of crap.

    The GOP loves illegals, its cheap labor and since they are owned by corporations, the flow of illegals continues so they can help make insulation, bone chickens, and keep executives houses clean and their gardens tidy.



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