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	<title>Comments on: Girl lied that dad died in Iraq to get free Hannah Montana tickets!</title>
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		<title>By: something something</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/girl-lied-that-dad-died-in-iraq-to-get-free-hannah-montana-tickets/comment-page-2/#comment-1073720</link>
		<dc:creator>something something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was only bad because she got caught. duh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was only bad because she got caught. duh</p>
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		<title>By: the Three-Headed Cat™</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Three-Headed Cat™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 - Mr. C

&quot;If the rules stipulated the essay must be true...&quot;

Ah, but you see, an essay, being an expession of personal feelings, opinion, juudgement, whatever - is presumed automatically to BE true. Were it untrue, it would perforce be utterly pointless.

Here&#039;s a term you&#039;ve never heard once in your life: &quot;false essay.&quot;

&quot;They didn&#039;t SAY it had to be true, so she won fairly.&quot; Exactly that form of &#039;lawyer&#039;s logic&#039; is behind so much of what makes modern Western society suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 &#8211; Mr. C</p>
<p>&#8220;If the rules stipulated the essay must be true&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, but you see, an essay, being an expession of personal feelings, opinion, juudgement, whatever &#8211; is presumed automatically to BE true. Were it untrue, it would perforce be utterly pointless.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a term you&#8217;ve never heard once in your life: &#8220;false essay.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They didn&#8217;t SAY it had to be true, so she won fairly.&#8221; Exactly that form of &#8216;lawyer&#8217;s logic&#8217; is behind so much of what makes modern Western society suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Catshit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Catshit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16, Mister G. Infidel

(Love the handle BTW)

Maybe I wasn&#039;t clear in my comment in #15. The essay was a work of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fiction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fiction&lt;/a&gt;. Since fiction is understood to be false then there is no fraud. The contest organizers agreed that the essay was good enough to win. If the rules stipulated the essay must be true then great, they did the right thing. If the rules just asked for an essay without asking for truthfulness, then they were wrong to disqualify the contestant after they announced they had won.

I agree, it would depend upon what the rules actually said. In the article though, there was no mention that the essay had to be written by the child or that it must be true. Since they were not mentioned and the mother readily admitted to the contest organizers that the essay was fiction I believe that was not a contest rule. (although I am prepared to be wrong on that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16, Mister G. Infidel</p>
<p>(Love the handle BTW)</p>
<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t clear in my comment in #15. The essay was a work of <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fiction" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fiction</a>. Since fiction is understood to be false then there is no fraud. The contest organizers agreed that the essay was good enough to win. If the rules stipulated the essay must be true then great, they did the right thing. If the rules just asked for an essay without asking for truthfulness, then they were wrong to disqualify the contestant after they announced they had won.</p>
<p>I agree, it would depend upon what the rules actually said. In the article though, there was no mention that the essay had to be written by the child or that it must be true. Since they were not mentioned and the mother readily admitted to the contest organizers that the essay was fiction I believe that was not a contest rule. (although I am prepared to be wrong on that)</p>
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		<title>By: BdgBill</title>
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		<dc:creator>BdgBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t about kids. This is about pshyco, wack job moms who are competing with other psycho moms to be the one who scored tickets.

Only a shuttered &quot;stay at home&quot; mom would be naieve enough to think they could get away with such an outrageous lie in the Internet Age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t about kids. This is about pshyco, wack job moms who are competing with other psycho moms to be the one who scored tickets.</p>
<p>Only a shuttered &#8220;stay at home&#8221; mom would be naieve enough to think they could get away with such an outrageous lie in the Internet Age.</p>
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		<title>By: the Three-Headed Cat™</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Three-Headed Cat™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We did anything that we had to do to win.&quot;

Sounds like a Texian - which she, by no coïncidence, IS. This, far, FAR more often than you would believe, is fundamentally how our future Lone Star socio- and psychopaths are created.

Competition, not coöperation. Win, any way you can. What YOU want is the only thing that matters. Rules are for chumps.

From six-y-o girls to the President, typical Texas egocentric, greedy, morals-and-ethics-free &quot;values&quot; at work.

And some of you will still wonder why so many Texians end up on Death Row...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We did anything that we had to do to win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a Texian &#8211; which she, by no coïncidence, IS. This, far, FAR more often than you would believe, is fundamentally how our future Lone Star socio- and psychopaths are created.</p>
<p>Competition, not coöperation. Win, any way you can. What YOU want is the only thing that matters. Rules are for chumps.</p>
<p>From six-y-o girls to the President, typical Texas egocentric, greedy, morals-and-ethics-free &#8220;values&#8221; at work.</p>
<p>And some of you will still wonder why so many Texians end up on Death Row&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary, the dangerous infidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary, the dangerous infidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Señor Catshit says &lt;i&gt;&quot;After staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I feel competent to suggest that changing a contest’s rules after the contest has ended or a winner declared is fraud.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Possibly, depending on the exact wording of the rules.  However, a quick check of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud&quot; title=&quot;Oh, what a tangled web we weave...&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;definition for fraud&lt;/a&gt; tells me that the word describes with utter precision what the mother and daughter did to win the contest.  So the unanswered question is, were the rules loose enough to allow for material representations of fact contained in the &quot;essay&quot; to be intentionally false?  I think it goes without saying that the judges relied on the truthfulness of the essay in making their original decision.

Sorry you apparently had a rough night at the Holiday Inn Express, but I doubt that you were unable to express your dissatisfaction to them before leaving ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Señor Catshit says <i>&#8220;After staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I feel competent to suggest that changing a contest’s rules after the contest has ended or a winner declared is fraud.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Possibly, depending on the exact wording of the rules.  However, a quick check of the <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud" title="Oh, what a tangled web we weave..." rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">definition for fraud</a> tells me that the word describes with utter precision what the mother and daughter did to win the contest.  So the unanswered question is, were the rules loose enough to allow for material representations of fact contained in the &#8220;essay&#8221; to be intentionally false?  I think it goes without saying that the judges relied on the truthfulness of the essay in making their original decision.</p>
<p>Sorry you apparently had a rough night at the Holiday Inn Express, but I doubt that you were unable to express your dissatisfaction to them before leaving <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mister Catshit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Catshit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the eff is it with all you people ??? The contest was to write an essay. The kid, with the help of her mother, did. It was such a good essay it won. I didn&#039;t see anything about the “essay” must be true or based upon a real life experience. Most essays I&#039;ve been familiar with ARE fiction. If they are non-fiction they are referred to as a “report”. The dictionary is a little more fuzzy with the definition of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=essay&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;essay&lt;/a&gt;.

After staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I feel competent to suggest that changing a contest&#039;s rules after the contest has ended or a winner declared is fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the eff is it with all you people ??? The contest was to write an essay. The kid, with the help of her mother, did. It was such a good essay it won. I didn&#8217;t see anything about the “essay” must be true or based upon a real life experience. Most essays I&#8217;ve been familiar with ARE fiction. If they are non-fiction they are referred to as a “report”. The dictionary is a little more fuzzy with the definition of <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=essay" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">essay</a>.</p>
<p>After staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I feel competent to suggest that changing a contest&#8217;s rules after the contest has ended or a winner declared is fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 you forgot the most important: learn the language you want to communicate into before writting, specially if what you want to write is such high caliber dung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 you forgot the most important: learn the language you want to communicate into before writting, specially if what you want to write is such high caliber dung</p>
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		<title>By: mullah cimoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mullah cimoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mullah cimoc say aemriki not having him free press. for save ameriki nation usa people must to make new federal communication law:

1. each tv station and each the radio station must be own 100% by person live within physical area serve by tv station. this call the local ownership.

2. no single person to owning more than 1% of any one tv station stock certificate. this make the diverse ownership.

3. abolish him networks, abccbsnbcfox. then to letting local own station form own networks with power from bottom up (flow from shareholder to board of director to ceo), not him top down like now in usa.

4. this keep the free press and stop the rupert murdoch type man keep all ameriki so stupid if buy him corporation which to own so many station and newspaper and radio and keep ameriki the stupid people.

after follow mullah cimoc method benjamin frankling to be the proud.

for true info: stop1984now@yahoo.com

and also ameriki woman to stop be slut and not take  LBT (low back tattoo) stop the meth, and stop to not smoke the cigerette, obey husband, the good mother to loving the chldren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mullah cimoc say aemriki not having him free press. for save ameriki nation usa people must to make new federal communication law:</p>
<p>1. each tv station and each the radio station must be own 100% by person live within physical area serve by tv station. this call the local ownership.</p>
<p>2. no single person to owning more than 1% of any one tv station stock certificate. this make the diverse ownership.</p>
<p>3. abolish him networks, abccbsnbcfox. then to letting local own station form own networks with power from bottom up (flow from shareholder to board of director to ceo), not him top down like now in usa.</p>
<p>4. this keep the free press and stop the rupert murdoch type man keep all ameriki so stupid if buy him corporation which to own so many station and newspaper and radio and keep ameriki the stupid people.</p>
<p>after follow mullah cimoc method benjamin frankling to be the proud.</p>
<p>for true info: <a href="mailto:stop1984now@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stop1984now@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>and also ameriki woman to stop be slut and not take  LBT (low back tattoo) stop the meth, and stop to not smoke the cigerette, obey husband, the good mother to loving the chldren.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan_Linder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan_Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, remember this is a six year old girl we&#039;re talking about.  I am highly suspect that this girl would come up with this at all.  (Of course to think that many of the other entries by other six-year-olds were submitted un-aided is highly unlikely also...)

Thankfully the media is placing the blame on the mother (rightfully).  She&#039;s the one that did all the lying.  At best the kid just signed her name in crayon and put on the stamp.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, remember this is a six year old girl we&#8217;re talking about.  I am highly suspect that this girl would come up with this at all.  (Of course to think that many of the other entries by other six-year-olds were submitted un-aided is highly unlikely also&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thankfully the media is placing the blame on the mother (rightfully).  She&#8217;s the one that did all the lying.  At best the kid just signed her name in crayon and put on the stamp.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to know the US kids have their priorities in line.</description>
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		<title>By: Not Telling!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Telling!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEADLINE: &quot;Girl lied that dad died in Iraq to get free Hannah Montana tickets!&quot;

First Quote: &quot;A 6-year-old girl...isn’t going to the show after all...[because] contest’s sponsor, a store chain named Club Libby Lu, withdrew the prize&quot;

Common, I understand tabloid headlines, but this is taking it too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEADLINE: &#8220;Girl lied that dad died in Iraq to get free Hannah Montana tickets!&#8221;</p>
<p>First Quote: &#8220;A 6-year-old girl&#8230;isn’t going to the show after all&#8230;[because] contest’s sponsor, a store chain named Club Libby Lu, withdrew the prize&#8221;</p>
<p>Common, I understand tabloid headlines, but this is taking it too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Personality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame the evil Disney corp.  Damn them and their short skirts.  Minnie started it!

&lt;img src=&quot;http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame the evil Disney corp.  Damn them and their short skirts.  Minnie started it!</p>
<p><img src="http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><a href="http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://larakay.co.uk/images/1411-RB-2.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given all the strange and aberrant behaviors our wonderful media loves to encourage, what&#039;s the big surprise when we finally arrive at the old truth, &quot;garbage in, garbage out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given all the strange and aberrant behaviors our wonderful media loves to encourage, what&#8217;s the big surprise when we finally arrive at the old truth, &#8220;garbage in, garbage out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the letter on TV.

What 6 year old is able to write with cursive script interspersed?</description>
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<p>What 6 year old is able to write with cursive script interspersed?</p>
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