Comments on: New air defense missiles for Iran http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: RickCain http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-943559 RickCain Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:48:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-943559 Every nation has a right to self-defense. The Bush Regime gripes about the wierdest things! Rumsfeld complained that Venezuela was buying rifles....RIFLES! Whats next, bayonets??!?!? Who is scared of Iran, nobody really, but when the war drums sound, the aggressor always has to think up an excuse, like when Hitler said Poland was planning an invasion of germany....and conveniently left out the fact that Poland only had biplanes and horse cavalry. Every nation has a right to self-defense.

The Bush Regime gripes about the wierdest things! Rumsfeld complained that Venezuela was buying rifles….RIFLES! Whats next, bayonets??!?!?

Who is scared of Iran, nobody really, but when the war drums sound, the aggressor always has to think up an excuse, like when Hitler said Poland was planning an invasion of germany….and conveniently left out the fact that Poland only had biplanes and horse cavalry.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939708 pedro Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:57:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939708 #24 yeah, Russia and China are the good guys. You have it right. And people are not scared of low neuron count people. #24 yeah, Russia and China are the good guys. You have it right.

And people are not scared of low neuron count people.

]]> By: ddacey http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939669 ddacey Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:15:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939669 "...irk the Bush administration and gives further proof of Russia and Iran’s deepening strategic partnership…" Russia is selling the missiles for the money. If George Bush said he wanted some, they would sell them to him too. The whole inference of a strategic alliance is baloney. These days Russia is about the cash. Dan “…irk the Bush administration and gives further proof of Russia and Iran’s deepening strategic partnership…”

Russia is selling the missiles for the money. If George Bush said he wanted some, they would sell them to him too. The whole inference of a strategic alliance is baloney.

These days Russia is about the cash.

Dan

]]> By: ergo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939101 ergo Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:49:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939101 The fact of the matter is the US wants geopolitical/military domination of the entire middle/near east, as well as Iran's oil. And Russia (along with China) simply isn't going to allow it. Russia is growing steadily and rapidly stronger financially, economically and in technological/military sophistication, while the US is already bankrupt(it's only the hundreds of billion of $$$$ that the Federal Reserve keeps creating out of thin air and pumping into the US financial system that keeps the US afloat. America, like Ancient Rome is dying, with military adventures around the globe and a bankrupt system that will implode and collapse before too long. Russia is in the catbird seat, and they know it! The fact of the matter is the US wants geopolitical/military domination of the entire middle/near east, as well as Iran’s oil.
And Russia (along with China) simply isn’t going to allow it. Russia is growing steadily and rapidly stronger financially, economically and in technological/military sophistication, while the US is already bankrupt(it’s only the hundreds of billion of $$$$ that the Federal Reserve keeps creating out of thin air and pumping into the US financial system that keeps the US afloat.
America, like Ancient Rome is dying, with military adventures around the globe and a bankrupt system that will implode and collapse before too long.
Russia is in the catbird seat, and they know it!

]]> By: jay stevens http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939039 jay stevens Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:32:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939039 Re: Post #20 "The really twisted part is there are more of us than there are war mongers, go figure…" The problem here is that Arab and Persian Muslims are not rational by Western standards. Re: Post #20
“The really twisted part is there are more of us than there are war mongers, go figure…”

The problem here is that Arab and Persian Muslims are not rational by Western standards.

]]> By: jay stevens http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939035 jay stevens Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:24:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939035 Re: Post 11. "It can deploy and launch without preparation in under 5 minutes ... " LOL Just the mechanics of moving into the site will take longer than 5 minutes. And if the battery is already there, it's not "without preparation". As for the electronics: It takes time to load tactical software into the computers. You can "cheat" and run vehicle power to the ovens for the high stability quartz crystal oscillators to eliminate the 5 to 10 minute warmup time. What you CANNOT do, however, is simply turn on a high powered radar transmitter from a cold start and be ready to go. "It uses a phased array antenna target guidance system, for rapid target acquisition. That pretty much puts anything, including so-called stealth aircraft, on the menu." Phased array antennas do provide some interesting enhancements to an air defense missile battery, but they are not a magic bullet against stealth aircraft. And they have one huge disadvantage: they cannot cover a full 360 degree circle. Low flying aircraft can sneak in with cluster bombs and destroy the site with one pass. So you need to emplace short range air defense equipment around it to try to force attacking aircraft up into what we call the missile envelope. And that leads to the big strategic disadvantage. If you see one, you know there's a high value target somewhere close. Re: Post 11.
“It can deploy and launch without preparation in under 5 minutes … ”
LOL

Just the mechanics of moving into the site will take longer than 5 minutes. And if the battery is already there, it’s not “without preparation”.

As for the electronics:
It takes time to load tactical software into the computers.

You can “cheat” and run vehicle power to the ovens for the high stability quartz crystal oscillators to eliminate the 5 to 10 minute warmup time. What you CANNOT do, however, is simply turn on a high powered radar transmitter from a cold start and be ready to go.

“It uses a phased array antenna target guidance system, for rapid target acquisition. That pretty much puts anything, including so-called stealth aircraft, on the menu.”

Phased array antennas do provide some interesting enhancements to an air defense missile battery, but they are not a magic bullet against stealth aircraft. And they have one huge disadvantage: they cannot cover a full 360 degree circle.

Low flying aircraft can sneak in with cluster bombs and destroy the site with one pass. So you need to emplace short range air defense equipment around it to try to force attacking aircraft up into what we call the missile envelope.

And that leads to the big strategic disadvantage. If you see one, you know there’s a high value target somewhere close.

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-939023 gquaglia Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-939023 <i>Russia thinks it’s ok for Iran, the same country with an avowed aim of killing Americans and wiping Israel off the map, with an anti-missile/aircraft system</i> They did the same thing in the cold war. Despite the show Putin puts on, he stills considers the US to be the enemy of Russia. <i>Is the Soviet Union that hard up for currency</i> Yup! <i>As for a weapons race, you haven’t been paying attention to China or Soviet developments, they have both been improving their weapons systems since the Cold-War was supposed to have ended</i> A fact, I bet few Americans know about and many Democrats are trying to ignore. Russia thinks it’s ok for Iran, the same country with an avowed aim of killing Americans and wiping Israel off the map, with an anti-missile/aircraft system

They did the same thing in the cold war. Despite the show Putin puts on, he stills considers the US to be the enemy of Russia.

Is the Soviet Union that hard up for currency

Yup!

As for a weapons race, you haven’t been paying attention to China or Soviet developments, they have both been improving their weapons systems since the Cold-War was supposed to have ended

A fact, I bet few Americans know about and many Democrats are trying to ignore.

]]> By: TakeIT2 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938899 TakeIT2 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:57:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938899 This is the same old war it has always been. What would be really cool is if we all did not let them drag us all into it again. The really twisted part is there are more of us than there are war mongers, go figure... This is the same old war it has always been.

What would be really cool is if we all did not let them drag us all into it again. The really twisted part is there are more of us than there are war mongers, go figure…

]]> By: traaxx http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938787 traaxx Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:38:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938787 Putting aside the relative merits or detractions of what the weapon system might be, Russia thinks it's ok for Iran, the same country with an avowed aim of killing Americans and wiping Israel off the map, with an anti-missle/aircraft system, but Europe and any other country doesn't need one???? Is the Soviet Union that hard up for currency or do they think that the Muslims are going to go easy on them? Whoever is in charge over there has their head up their discharge system. If you don't like Bush fine, I don't either not Hillary or Dumbo Obama or any of the other Globalist candidates, I'd rather have a nationalist. As for a weapons race, you haven't been paying attention to China or Soviet developments, they have both been improving their weapons systems since the Cold-War was supposed to have ended. We on the other hand have been playing policeman to a lot of Muslims that would sooner take off our heads as look at us. Either occupy the country and put an end to the rebellion or leave and let Iran take over and kill the other half, at least that way we'd get more dead Muslims, in the end we don't have the fortitude to play policeman or peacemaker which is what the Demoncrats always say the believe in, and what Bush is supposedly trying to do, see wide spread support from the Demoncrats. I believe the whole thing is to just further Globalism, whatever :( Putting aside the relative merits or detractions of what the weapon system might be, Russia thinks it’s ok for Iran, the same country with an avowed aim of killing Americans and wiping Israel off the map, with an anti-missle/aircraft system, but Europe and any other country doesn’t need one????

Is the Soviet Union that hard up for currency or do they think that the Muslims are going to go easy on them? Whoever is in charge over there has their head up their discharge system. If you don’t like Bush fine, I don’t either not Hillary or Dumbo Obama or any of the other Globalist candidates, I’d rather have a nationalist. As for a weapons race, you haven’t been paying attention to China or Soviet developments, they have both been improving their weapons systems since the Cold-War was supposed to have ended.

We on the other hand have been playing policeman to a lot of Muslims that would sooner take off our heads as look at us. Either occupy the country and put an end to the rebellion or leave and let Iran take over and kill the other half, at least that way we’d get more dead Muslims, in the end we don’t have the fortitude to play policeman or peacemaker which is what the Demoncrats always say the believe in, and what Bush is supposedly trying to do, see wide spread support from the Demoncrats.

I believe the whole thing is to just further Globalism, whatever :(

]]> By: Dorksters http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938694 Dorksters Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:43:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938694 #1 GigG The Air Force will retire the F-117 in April 2008. You aren't keeping up. #1 GigG

The Air Force will retire the F-117 in April 2008.

You aren’t keeping up.

]]> By: Mister Catshit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938634 Mister Catshit Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:16:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938634 #16, Jag, Well put. I was going to say something like “If brains were made of dynamite, these people collectively couldn't blow a nose.” But damn, your's is better. :) #16, Jag,

Well put. I was going to say something like “If brains were made of dynamite, these people collectively couldn’t blow a nose.”

But damn, your’s is better. :)

]]> By: Jägermeister http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938619 Jägermeister Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:22:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938619 Fear sells. Fear sells.

]]> By: A Faithful Employee http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938613 A Faithful Employee Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:59:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938613 Has the world gone crazy? On top of that several sides trying to hasten Armageddon ( in our time) They actually speak of "How exciting it is to be in the end times" And on the muslim side trying to speed up their Armageddon on the Maji in the well. If things start to fly - watch the Iranian and Saudi oil fields go up in a flash Talk about selling a rope to a guy who will hang your family as well as his Has the world gone crazy?
On top of that several sides trying to hasten Armageddon ( in our time)
They actually speak of “How exciting it is to be in the end times”
And on the muslim side trying to speed up their Armageddon on the Maji in the well.
If things start to fly – watch the Iranian and Saudi oil fields go up in a flash
Talk about selling a rope to a guy who will hang your family as well as his

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938611 pedro Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:58:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938611 #13 were not affraid of anything? boy, I must have imagined that "Duck & cover" thingy #13 were not affraid of anything? boy, I must have imagined that “Duck & cover” thingy

]]> By: Winston Smith http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/12/31/russia-will-supply-new-anti-aircraft-missiles-for-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-938560 Winston Smith Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15321#comment-938560 ". . . in the event of any strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities." Are these "nuclear facilities" the ones that 16 US intelligence agencies said were shut down five years ago? Are we still to believe that Iran is on the threshold of having atomic bombs? I remember a time when we in the US were not afraid of anything. When we did not see a threat behind every tree and under every bush. When reason prevailed. “. . . in the event of any strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.”

Are these “nuclear facilities” the ones that 16 US intelligence agencies said were shut down five years ago?

Are we still to believe that Iran is on the threshold of having atomic bombs?

I remember a time when we in the US were not afraid of anything. When we did not see a threat behind every tree and under every bush. When reason prevailed.

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