Whole lotta science-speak going on here that sounds plausible in this Russian perspective on the issue. Just like it does coming from those who use it to prove global warming. One of them is full of crap. Guess to be safe I should buy lots of long underwear for tooling around in my air conditioned Prius.
A cold spell soon to replace global warming
Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reason—solar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.
#37, yeah. About 14 and 15, judging by the legs and wrists. Makes me wish I was (mumble) years younger. (“If I knew then what I know now…”)
If we’re the cause of global warming, why did the poles on Mars start melting at the same time as Earth’s?
#33 – Phillep,
Scott, any climate change is going to produce war, especially when the two groups have long standing grudges. The white moslems (the ones who used to be slave traders) have been moving into land presently occupied by Negro moslems (the people the white moslems used to raid for slaves) for some time now. Pardon me if I don’t regard climate as being all that important to the situation.
I guess the billion climate refugees are not a big concern to you. Glad to hear it. May they all come knocking on your door when they have no place to go.
#36 – iGlobalFucker,
will reducing CO2 cause the average American have less private property / money? If it can’t be done that way, it’s not worth doing.
Less than what? I think if we have renewable energy and clean air, we will have more, not less. But, if it’s a question of living or dying, what difference does this make? Do you believe the world economy can sustain a billion climate refugees without global civilizational collapse?
#42 – bcook,
The Milankovich cycles are indeed still around. We are in a warm point in the Milankovich cycles. Unfortunately, that only accounts for 5-15% of the warming on this planet. We’re still responsible for the other 85+%. So, when we go into the cooling period in the Milankovich cycles, 5-15% of the warming we are seeing today will be reduced. It will not overcome the other 85-95%. See my comment above regarding the temperatures of Earth and Venus.
#42 – It’s just that bad. We are causing the poles on Mars to melt because of those high powered telescopes pointing at the planet for all these centuries. Not to mention those toxin spewing probes we’ve been sending over the years.
So if the ice caps melt and the majority of the liberals in this country live on the east and west coast, why EXACTLY would I want to stop “Man-Made” Global Warming?
Peer Reviews are nice when they are objective. There are over 19,000 scientists who are in fields that can confirm / deny whether man-made global warming exists or has any sort of real impact. Yet their opinions are largely ignored by those who do “peer reviews”.
Global Warming Petition Project: http://tinyurl.com/2p95fp
Great Global Warming Swindle: http://tinyurl.com/2sumlq (start at 3m 55s to 6m 41s which briefly mentions the “peer-reviewed” IPCC if you don’t have time to watch the entire video). There’s also some stuff about how things get cherry-picked further on in the video to portray “undisputable” truth. Very much worth the read to see the other side.
#43, Scott, “wars such as Darfur”. The genocide there, being perpetrated by white moslems, has been going on for years, which you certainly should know if you actually have been doing field work in Africa. It’s been driven by population increase as well as desertification (which has been going on for longer than “global warming” has).
The Billion refugees global warming may create can move to Siberia and Canada, which will become good crop land with global warming.
We’ll send the 5,994,000,000 refugees a glaciation will create to your door, okay?
#33, Philleep,
I’m trying to imbed the links into my comments. If I err, it’s because I’m a beginner.
Catshit, Gore could have a secure place to live and operate his businesses without buying into a palace larger than that of most third world dictators’.
Gore inherited his “mansion” So tell me, how big a house did Nixon BUY in San Clemente, or Key Bicayne .
Or, how big is the “compound” (or estate) Bush Sr. has in Maine?
What about the house Eisenhower “bought” in Gettysburg.
Or maybe you could explain why that standard of Republican thrift, former President Gerald Ford bought such a itsy bitsy little wee tiny weeny insignificant palace in Rancho Mirage? A lot nicer than that little drafty place in Grand Rapids MI.
OK, then what about the hovel Reagan lived in, Rancho del Ciel
Maybe you could tell all the readers which of these homes is smaller than the Gore home.
BTW, only Bush owned his house before entering the White House.
If you really think Gore’s house is all that bad, maybe you could take a look at what Dick Cheney is costing American taxpayers. Yup, that’s right, We all picked up that $186,000 electrical tab in 2001, the last year the cost is available. We don’t know what we paid to heat the place.
#25
No. The worst thing is that billions if not trillions of tax dollars would be wasted on a host of things besides cleaner air when they could have been spent on any number of more useful projects or simply not taken from the public.
#30
The order should go (from worst to best)
1. Nixon (tie)
2. Carter (double-digit inflation anyone? gas lines?)
3. Clinton(tie)
3. GHW Bush(tie)
3. GW Bush (tie)
4. Reagan (“Destroyed” the middle class? So what does that make us? Please. I suppose a liberal would say that so they can claim they are only taxing the “rich” which includes almost everyone).
#47
RE: Nixon v Gore
Nixon, nor Bush Sr., nor Bush Jr, nor Eisenhower, nor Reagan, nor Clinton, nor Cheney spouted off about how we all have to reduce our carbon footprint while moving into a carbon-unfriendly mansion and swindling people with “carbon offsets.” He looks like a hypocrite.
I DUNNO ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, BUT THAT PHOTO MIGHT GIVE SOME PEOPLE A LITTLE REGIONAL WARMING IF YOU KNOW WHATTA MEAN.
Well, Catshit, that’s relevant, and makes a lot more sense than just claiming he needs it for security. That “he inherited it” is a far better rebutal than any I’ve seen yet; most rebuttals are lame excuses.
And the comparisons are pretty good to know as well.
(some of those imbeds did not take)
To Political Junkie. You spend WAY too much time listning to Rush Limbaugh. Believe it or not, he’s not always right. Many would say he’s rearely right.
Regarding Jimmy Carter, if you think he’s somehow to blame for the economy when he was president then you must have been in diapers at the time…if that. The economy went to hell in the mid 70′s because of the oil shock…simple as that. There were contributing factors but the inflation caused by oil price increases screwed everything up. Carter certainly wasn’t to blame for the “misery” index.
Regarding the heads in the sand people denying global warming…I’m sure you’re the same people who thought George W was going to be a great president and that going into Iraq was just a peachy idea. History will unfortunately prove you wrong.
Specifically, the “consensus” about anthropogenic climate change entails the following:
1) the climate is undergoing a pronounced warming trend beyond the range of natural variability;
2) the major cause of most of the observed warming is rising levels of the greenhouse gas CO2;
3) the rise in CO2 is the result of burning fossil fuels;
4) if CO2 continues to rise over the next century, the warming will continue; and
5) a climate change of the projected magnitude over this time frame represents potential danger to human welfare and the environment.
These conclusions have been explicitly endorsed by:
Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academié des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed these conclusions:
NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
These organizations also agree with the consensus:
The Earth Institute at Columbia University
Northwestern University
University of Akureyri
University of Iceland
Iceland GeoSurvey
National Centre for Atmospheric Science UK
Climate Group
Climate Institute
Climate Trust
Wuppertal Institute for Climate Environment and Energy
Royal Meteorological Society
Community Research and Development Centre Nigeria
Geological Society of London
Geological Society of America
UK Centre for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
American Association for the Advancement of Science
National Research Council
Juelich Research Centre
US White House
US Council on Environmental Quality
US Office of Science Technology Policy
US National Climatic Data Center
US Department of Commerce
US National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
UK Natural Environment Research Council
Office of Science and Technology Policy
Council on Environmental Quality
National Economic Council
Office of Management and Budget
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
UK Natural Environment Research Council
Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology
Engineers Australia
American Chemical Society
American Association of Blacks in Energy
World Petroleum Council
The Weather Channel
National Geographic
The following companies agree with the consensus:
ABB
Air France
Alcan
Alcoa
Allian
American Electric Power
Aristeia Capital
BASF
Bayer
BP America Inc.
Calvert Group
Canadian Electricity Association
Caterpilliar Inc.
Centrica
Ceres
Chevron
China Renewable
Citigroup
ConocoPhillips
Covanta Holding Corporation
Deutsche Telekom
Doosan Babcock Energy Limited
Duke Energy
DuPont
EcoSecurities
Electricity de France North America
Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand
Endesa
Energettech Austraila Pty Ltd
Energy East Corporation
Energy Holding Romania
Energy Industry Association
Eni
Eskorn
ETG International
Exelon Corporation
ExxonMobil
F&C Asset Management
FPL Group
General Electric
German Electricity Association
Glitnir Bank
Global Energy Network Institute, Iberdrola
ING Group
Institute for Global Environmental Strategies
Interface Inc.
International Gas Union
International Paper
International Power
Marsh & McLennan Companies
Massachusetts Municipal Wholesale Electric Company
MEDIAS-France
MissionPoint Capital Partners
Munich Re
National Grid
National Power Company of Iceland
NGEN mgt II, LLC
NiSource
NRG Energy
PG&E Corporation
PNM Resources
Reykjavik Energy
Ricoh
Rio Tinto Energy Services
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Rolls-Royce
Societe Generale de Surveillance (SGS Group)
Stora Enso North America
Stratus Consulting
Sun Management Institute
Swiss Re
UCG Partnership
US Geothermal
Verde Venture Partners
Volvo
In addition, the scientific consensus is also endorsed by the CEO’s of the following companies:
A. O. Smith Corporation
Abbott Laboratories
Accenture Ltd.
ACE Limited
ADP
Aetna Inc.
Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.
AK Steel Corporation
Alcatel-Lucent
Allstate Insurance Company
ALLTEL Corporation
Altec Industries, Inc.
American Electric Power Company, Inc.
American Express Company
American International Group, Inc.
Ameriprise Financial
AMR Corporation/American Airlines
Anadarko Petroleum Corporation
Apache Corporation
Applera Corporation
Arch Coal, Inc.
Archer Daniels Midland Company
ArvinMeritor, Inc.
AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals LP
Avery Dennison Corporation
Avis Budget Group, Inc.
Bechtel Group, Inc.
BNSF Railway
Boeing Company
Brink’s Company
CA
Carlson Companies, Inc.
Case New Holland Inc.
Ceridian Corporation
Chemtura Corporation
Chubb Corporation
CIGNA Corporation
Coca-Cola Company
Constellation Energy Group, Inc.
Convergys Corporation
Con-way Incorporated
Corning Incorporated
Crane Co.
CSX Corporation
Cummins Inc.
Deere & Company
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
Delphi Corporation
Dow Chemical Company
Eastman Chemical Company
Eastman Kodak Company
Eaton Corporation
EDS
Eli Lilly and Company
EMC Corporation
Ernst & Young, L.L.P.
Fannie Mae
FedEx Corporation
Fluor Corporation
FMC Corporation
Freddie Mac
General Mills, Inc.
General Motors Corporation
Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
Goodrich Corporation
Harman International Industries, Inc.
Hartford Financial Services Group
Home Depot, Inc., The
Honeywell International, Inc.
HSBC – North America
Humana Inc.
IBM Corporation
Ingersoll-Rand Company
International Textile Group
ITT Corporation
Johnson Controls, Inc.
JP Morgan Chase & Co.
KPMG LLP
Liberty Mutual Group
MassMutual
MasterCard Incorporated
McGraw-Hill Companies
McKesson Corporation
MeadWestvaco Corporation
Medco Health Solutions, Inc.
Merck & Co., Inc.
Merrill Lynch & Company, Inc.
MetLife, Inc.
Morgan Stanley
Motorola, Inc.
Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc.
National Gypsum Company
Nationwide
Navistar International Corporation
New York Life Insurance Company
Norfolk Southern Corporation
Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company
Nucor Corporation
NYSE Group, Inc.
Office Depot, Inc.
Owens Corning (Reorganized) Inc.
Pactiv Corporation
Peabody Energy Corporation
Pfizer Inc
PPG Industries, Inc.
Praxair, Inc.
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
Principal Financial Group
Procter & Gamble Company
Prudential Financial
Realogy Corporation
Rockwell Automation, Inc.
Ryder System, Inc.
SAP America, Inc.
Sara Lee Corporation
SAS Institute Inc.
Schering-Plough Corporation
Schneider National, Inc.
ServiceMaster Company
Siemens Corporation
Southern Company
Springs Global US, Inc.
Sprint Nextel
St. Paul Travelers Companies, Inc.
State Farm Insurance Companies
Tenneco
Texas Instruments Incorporated
Textron Incorporated
Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.
TIAA-CREF
Tyco Electronics
Tyco International Ltd.
Union Pacific Corporation
Unisys Corporation
United Technologies Corporation
UnitedHealth Group Incorporated
USG Corporation
Verizon Communications
W.W. Grainger, Inc.
Western & Southern Financial Group
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Williams Companies, Inc.
Xerox Corporation
YRC Worldwide Inc
#50, Phillep,
Thank you for letting me know about those links. It’s back to the drawing board.
Actually, by the 17th century the use of firewood had destroyed most of the trees in the British Isles and most of Europe, which certainly added to the CO2 in the atmosphere. Methane, an even more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, was generated in large quantities by livestock and rice agriculture in Asia. Things certainly started warming up well before the Industrial Revolution.
#54, Patso,
Great strawman arguments there.
In 1750 the WORLD’S estimated total population was about 791 million. Today, it is roughly 6.6 billion. 250 years ago people were much hardier. Energy used per person was a small fraction of what it is today. When I gassed up my car today, I put in as much energy as would a family use over several winter months 250 years ago. That gas will last me two weeks.
Methane has been produced by animals, including humans, since they crawled out of the primordial sea. Using it as a fertilizer, worked into the soil, releases less methane into the atmosphere than does allowing it to rot in the fields or woods.
#51 you sound like a south american blaming the US for all their miseries.
Those scientists who claim the sun is responsible for global warming and cooling have some pretty impressive data to back up their claims.
I’m still waiting for the CO2 crowd to present theirs. (Isn’t it a bit odd how none of their peer-reviewed papers actually include data?)
Global Warming? Global Cooling?
First there were lawyers, then came economists, now we have climatologists.
Thirty plus years ago it was global cooling – the new ice age is coming and we caused it with CO2 and how we have to reduce it.
Today its global warming and we caused it with CO2 and how we have to reduce it.
I think we need reduce what we believe in.
Cheers
#51 – Mark Ashton
I’m not sure what Rush Limbaugh has to do with this other than maybe you secretly listen to him. What would your lib buddies think?
You blame Bush for the war, give Clinton credit for a good economy, then give Jimmy Carter a pass on his pathetic job as president.
He was famous for his indecisions and poor leadership which generated the many problems of that time. No amount of spin will change that.
#59, PJ,
He was famous for his indecisions and poor leadership which generated the many problems of that time. No amount of spin will change that.
Carter led by example. When Three Mile Island happened, he went there, inside the plant and didn’t mispronounce “nuclear”.
He invited two warring parties to Camp David in an effort to broker a peace. It happened.
When the Nixon/Ford inspired oil embargo happened, Carter turned down the thermostat in the White house and wore a sweater. Not for show, but all winter.
When the Iranian hostage crises broke, he didn’t panic and declare war, which surely would have seen the hostages all killed. He showed patience and they were all released later. When a rescue mission failed, HE took personal responsibility.
Geeze, did Reagan, Bush I or Bush II ever measure up to that level of leadership? No spin or exaggerations please.