My wife and I went to Orlando for a few days after Xmas and stayed in a very upscale four star hotel. I had seen this report before I left and the first thing I did after checking in was inspect the glasses in the room. They had finger prints and lip prints on them and obviously had only been rinsed out. This is a widespread problem in this country with all the legal and illegal Hispanic hotel maids. I guess they were raised to different standards in their country.
“Why do you continue to ignore your comments about Hispanics being dirty and pre disposed to criminal activity?”
Where did I say “Hispanics are dirty”? And where did I say they predisposed to criminal activity?
Unlike you, sonny, living in a lily-white middle-class American suburb, hanging out with your white-bread buddies, I live among them, as I have lived among Cubans, Columbians, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, blacks, whites, Chinese, Hungarians, Russians, Pakistanis, Indians, and an assortment of other nationalities. As opposed to PC idiots like you, few of my friends are, or ever were, white Americans. I know many foreign-born and first-gen immigrants from all over. My assertions regarding people of other races and cultures come, again unlike you, from extensive firsthand experience. Them as I know little about, I don’t say much about. And I also have some nice pieces of paper I used to hang on the walls, which suggest rather strongly that I may have learned one or two things about cultural and social anthropology somewhere along the way and perforce may possibly even be qualified to make pronouncements upon those very subjects, among one or two related others. Again, I am willing to bet, unlike you.
• • •
Corruption is the norm in Mexican government and in Mexican society, both inside Mexico and out. And yes, Mexicans do commit more crimes, per capita, than whites or Asians. As the white, black, Asian – and Mexican – crime victims, cops, judges, prosecutors, jurors and lawyers here can tell you.
And standards of public sanitation in Mexico are significantly lower than those in the U.S. Those standards are imported, basically unchanged, into areas of the U.S. which are predominantly occupied by Mexican immigrants.
These are well documented facts. They ain’t pretty and they call out for better solutions than sticking your fucking white-bread liberal head in the sand and screeching “Racist! Racist!”
So tell us; what’s your point?
…and I might also point out that significant differences exist within differing cultures within racial groups.
Hop’s experience in an Orlando hotel would’ve been less likely to have occurred, had the maids been, as they were not all that long ago, Cubans, rather than Mexicans. But, as many have already noted, the drive for profit is the root cause, since Mexicans will work for less than similarly situated Cubans.
Having lived a long time in close proximity to both cultures, I know that to be a fact, Denial Dude.
#161 162 the three headed chutney ferret
“Where did I say “Hispanics are dirty”? And where did I say they predisposed to criminal activity?
Go back and read your comments. I have posted the one pertaining to the fact that you think Mexicans are predisposed to be criminals several times. As far as Hispanics being dirty you adamantly defended hhoppers comments that they were. Then there is this charm “Things there are the way they have been for a long, long time. Injustice, corruption, poverty, superstition, violence – all things endemic to Mexican culture”
If you don’t believe such things you should take care when defending or typing them.
Oh here it comes….Wait for it………Wait for it.
“I live among them, as I have lived among Cubans, Columbians, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, blacks, whites, Chinese, Hungarians, Russians, Pakistanis, Indians, and an assortment of other nationalities. As opposed to PC idiots like you, few of my friends are, or ever were, white Americans. I know many foreign-born and first-gen immigrants from all over. ”
The quintessential argument racists like to bring up. Look at all my friend that are of the race I disparage.
“My assertions regarding people of other races and cultures come, again unlike you, from extensive firsthand experience.”
And of course you have more experience than anyone else in the world. You world traveler you. Would you like to compare passports?
“Corruption is the norm in Mexican government and in Mexican society, both inside Mexico and out. And yes, Mexicans do commit more crimes, per capita, than whites or Asians. As the white, black, Asian – and Mexican – crime victims, cops, judges, prosecutors, jurors and lawyers here can tell you.”
And of course that is all because of their genes.
“And standards of public sanitation in Mexico are significantly lower than those in the U.S. Those standards are imported, basically unchanged, into areas of the U.S. which are predominantly occupied by Mexican immigrants.”
So you are saying that they are dirty people?
“These are well documented facts.”
No one is disputing crime statistics. The dispute is your claim is that they are because of genetics
“They ain’t pretty and they call out for better solutions than sticking your fucking white-bread liberal head in the sand and screeching “Racist! Racist”
I am not white. I am also not Hispanic. I actually fit into two of those highest bell curve groups Chinese and Jewish
“Hop’s experience in an Orlando hotel would’ve been less likely to have occurred, had the maids been, as they were not all that long ago, Cubans, rather than Mexicans.”
Why because Mexicans are dirtier than Cubans?
“Having lived a long time in close proximity to both cultures, I know that to be a fact”
Yeah that’s a real scientific claim and approach.
#81 Three-Headed Cat™ T_H For a “typo” (opps vs opps) it’s pretty consistent.
Gee, I don’t know what to say but hey, thanks for noticing.
I didn’t know I was being graded on typing…
By the way…I didn’t just duck out either – it more like who is more foolish – the fool, or arguing with one – with respect.
I would just repear what I already said so what can I say in rebuttal will change your view?
Also I think the really long comments get really hard to follow in a debate – I am just as guilty!
My position is that the blame for poor cleaning or quality of cleaning and or service in hotels falls squarely on the shoulders of the management and not on a group or race of people.
Management sets the quality standards instigates the training of staff to meet these standards and implements adequate supervision to ensure these quality standards are maintained.
If I am a manager I don’t care for one minute that there might be people on staff whose culture does not have the same common sense of cleaning and or hygiene that I have. My staff shall be trained in how to achieve the quality standard I have set with the materials and equipment available for them to do so.
I shall also have sufficient supervision of staff to not only ensure that my quality standards are maintained but that all materials and equipment is available to do so.
I shall also have in place my supervisors conducting regular staff meetings and encouraging feedback with suggestions.
Three headed cat then diverged into this which is not the reason why hotel cleaning standards are below par.
Peasants from Mexico, Serbia, India, China, Malaysia, Zimbabwe, Ecuador – they all have the same thing in common. They all believe, against all the evidence, that their culture is the best. This is called ‘ethnocentrism’. It is a barrier to progress. They do not accept change. They keep doing things ‘the way we’ve always done them’ because it must be the best way, since that’s the way it’s always been done. Such circular ‘reasoning’ is behind many dysfunctional traditions.
Thanks, you also described every culture on the planet particularly Americans!
White, educated liberals of European extraction (Americans?) are the only significant ‘culture’ that does not tell it’s people that IT IS THE BEST.
Really? How do you explain all the “USA is the best at anything” attitude that most Americans have?
Ask a Mexican peasant, who has seen the significant differences in the standards of living in Mexico and the US, which culture is better and they will invariably, despite the glaringly obvious inferiority of it, say that Mexican culture is better.
How could a Mexican ‘peasant’ know what the differences are if they are sophisticated? If by definition a ‘peasant’ is an uneducated farmer or labourer so how could they judge? All they know is their simple life and are happy and comfortable living it so why change?
My point was that this ‘peasant’ culture would change if there were influences from other ‘advanced’ societies. Change comes from education and economics. “Gee I don’t have to dig in the ground with a stick – I can use a shovel and later, why use a shovel when I can use a machine!” Slowly these influences change the culture regardless of whether or not the culture wants the change! A forced change will not work!
This is why I used China as a good example of as a ethnocentric culture – and a deep set one too, from thousands of years! Education was for the privileged few and Mao practicably shut it down all together. An uneducated peasant population is easy to control.
Overseas investment has changed China and its people in just 30 years what thousands of years has not. This change of culture marches on inexorably and will not stop due to education and economic rise.
If anything, toilets in Chinese establishments are cleaner than their American counterparts. Because the Chinese noticed that that is the way things are done in America.
Really? All Chinese restaurants in the US? How many of these “Chinese” restaurants you speak of are owned by Chinese immigrants – and how recent? LOL! PF Chang’s in the US has clean toilets but it is not what you call a Chinese restaurant – ask any real Chinese person!
My wife who is Chinese and she commented that in SanFran China Town there are many authentic Chinese restaurants and the toilets are…well…authentic as well.
Back to Mexico – It seems to me that you would maintain that Mexico is doomed as this is racial not economic based on family owned Mexican restaurants toilets…
Then you have a go at: Peasants are stupid. That’s why they stay peasants. That’s why, despite all the help, all the good intentions, they continue to live substandard lives.
No peasants are not “stupid” they are uneducated. What is “all the help” you refer too? One Laptop for every child? What a joke! What a stupid waste of money.
If you really want to help people who are “stupid peasants” then invest in businesses that they can work in. They will get money and will see the need for their children to have an education.
Again this happened in China. In the 1990′s to work for a foreign invested joint venture company Chinese applying for office positions only needed at least some collage – if possible.
Today there is so much competition Chinese people are doing post graduate studies MBA and Master degrees to get better work.
Anyway this was far too long and you seem to not open for other views.
Cheers
A debate is a collected series of statements to establish a proposition – telling someone to “stuff it” and calling them an “idiot” or a “chug nut” does not bode well in supporting one’s stance – although it is entertaining.
Cheers
#165 TIHZ HO
I am glad you enjoyed it.:) I have to say at a certain point I had given up all reasonable means because tthc’s only response to any valid arguments was that everyone was a PC Marxist. How does one respond to such ridiculousness?
#166 J – How does one respond to such ridiculousness?
Can’t do much really – just present your point of view with substantiating facts as others reading this will at least see who the “idiot” is. That’s enough.
Three Headed Cat’s point of view is that unless you are white of European descent then you are not smart enough to know you are less better off.
THC accused me a withdrawing from the debate into the shadows which is far from the truth.
Opps er…Oops…I better check to see EXACTLY what THC said or s/he will pick on that.
THC likes to swing at the pitcher instead of the ball.
Cheers
#167 TIHZ HO
Yeah I saw the debate being more about behaviors and intelligence and whether or not you can determine them based on race.
I can totally see how you viewed the debate because tthc made repeated disparaging remarks about Hispanics and other races where economic conditions for the majority are bad.
The real debate was about whether Hispanics were the reason for the dirty glasses in the Hotels. The video showed that women of 3 different races did approximately the same thing in regards to cleanliness. Now if I were TTHC and not hung up on my bigotry toward Hispanics. I would say that women were the cause.
Myself, being a rational reasonable person and realizing that the “maid” is a position that is predominantly women I would lay the blame precisely where it should be right at the feet of the Hotels and management.
the training that housekeepers go through instructs them on how to clean the glasses in the rooms. you are supposed to use the blue chemical-which is glass cleaner to clean the glasses. i know this because i am a housekeeper at the holiday inn. so dont blame the uncleaniness on the the housekeepers’ race or ethnicity blame it on the people who are making the cleaning guidelines. not those that are just doing their job.
this is to all of these ppl that blaming them for the job not being done right its really not their fault the housekeepers are being rushed and told that then cant spend more than a certain amount of time per room sometimes they have 15 rooms to clean all by themselves n the thing is that start work @ lets say 9 am and they want them out before 1 0r 2 pm n the manager is always coming to check up on them to see whats taking them so long he will either yell or snap his fingers at them