I walk into the house an hour ago – make a cup of tea – click on the TV and sit down to check out the day’s news. And this is what I see:
A person who shot 13 people Thursday at Northern Illinois University’s DeKalb campus outside Chicago has died, local reports said.
Most of the 13 wounded were shot in the head, said Theresa Comitas, spokeswoman for Kishwaukee Community Hospital, located about 10 minutes from the school…
A woman named Corrine described the scene to CLTV, saying she was “carried out” of Cole Hall by a “wave” of students running for their lives.
“When one of the kids said, ‘This guy is shooting!’ I just ran to the next building as fast as I could and hid in an empty classroom.”
You’ll get to see all the details, the final body count, on TV, tonight. All the “analysis” over the next week.
#100 Stars & Bars
If you want to be taken seriously you really should avoid posting links to an Alex Jones site. He is completely off his rocker and has been ever since I have first seen him on the local Austin cable channel. I think now he is running around saying he predicted 9/11. Yeah, ok Nostradamus. lol
Just in case you are not aware the use of psychotropic drug is a societal issue. I am not talking about casual use I am talking about clinical use. However, they idea that these things take place in gun free zones because they are gun free is just non-sense. Did you ever think that maybe it is because it is the environment that the killers know most recently or have a history at? Perhaps it is because schools provide a predictable pattern of gathering and movement that a loon can follow according to the class schedule.
For every shooting at a gun free zone I could provide you 100 that take place in non gun free zones so the whole premise is absolute non-sense and a political agenda.
Like I have said before anyone who wants to make this about guns, whether it is to take them away or to add more to the mix, has an agenda!
Everyone needs to stop wanting to think they are Rambo and realize this is a problem that could be reduced if not eliminated if you fix the problem. not the symptom.
For all you idiots who want to keep saying that this happened because of “gun-free” zones.
Explain to us all the Bath School disaster back in 1927. There were no “gun-free” zones back then yet it still took place at a school. Hum? I wonder why? Wow and it took place before 1968 too. Isn’t that amazing. You can take you head out of your ass now three headed kitty.
Oh the same goes for all those that want to take guns away too. He used guns, pyrotal, dynamite and a club!!!!!
No matter what we take away they will find a way. We need to get to the root of the problem. The problem that causes then allows people to act out these type of behaviors.
If everyone would just get their head out of their proverbial asses and look at the REAL problem.
“Oh well that would be too difficult to fix. It is much easier to ban or promote guns” DOLTS! Just like a typical American. Take the easy way out.
#98–Tihz==I’m disappointed in your post. Its not “obvious” so I cant suggest a muligan. You know, human psychology is difficult enough before it gets wrapped up into society, culture, and history.
Its multi-factorial.
Outside some simple mechanical and chemical reactions, its very difficult to prove and therefore to think that A causes B. The most you can hope for is that A contributes to B absent the presence of C and so forth.
Anyone spouting off like J is simply an advocate for who knows what reason rather than a keen observer of life. You shouldn’t encourage those types with simplistic causality.
Bobbo
Blow it out your ass! You don’t even know what you are talking about and this statement proves it.
“You know, human psychology is difficult enough before it gets wrapped up into society, culture, and history.”
Human Psychology is neatly intertwined with society, culture, and history. In fact there is a whole branch of Psychology that studies just those issues.
So please STFU when you feel like blovating on an issue you have nothing more the a media knowledge of.
The reason I have status in life and you are stuck in middle management or some other middle class position is because “I” am a very keen observer of human nature. That is how I profit!!
I am not an advocate of anything involving guns and if you could read beyond a 2n grade level you would know that.
I do not advocate taking guns away and I do not advocate putting more into the hands of yahoo rambo types who think they can solve every problem if only they had more guns.
#104–Now J, what this fascination of yours with asses? You need to be turned around and face your fears straightforwardly.
#105 bobbo
Is that your best shot? You realize you are on the losing side of an argument so you make ad hominem attacks?
Can’t blame you because you have your lips so close to your Hero the three headed kitty’s ass that your brains have almost merged.
#106–Now J, whats this fascination of yours with asses and the 3HC? With your expertise in human behavior, you should have several theories you are testing out? Could you share one or two with us?
#107 bobbo
Would you like me to expound on asses, lips, and breasts and the biological effect they have on us? Or would you like me to discuss the use in language relating to the buttocks and how it came to be in our vernacular and it’s origin of disrespect it delivers?
Now as far as fascination. Asses? Yes. A human buttocks is a fascinating thing. Take an anatomy class and you would realize that.
the three headed kitty however, is done a compliment to even be mentioned in the same sentence as a human buttocks.
I don’t think that is related to the killing spree type killer but you seem to want to focus on it because I use it a written insult. Who has the issues with asses?
Nice try bobbo but I am not gay and I am not a homophobe and it doesn’t even brush me with any insult. I can and do look at certain men and say “that is a dam handsome man” You know like George Clooney or Bradley Pitt.
#3 I wholeheartedly agree with you
pedro – I would agree with you and gq in many cases, but not this one. As I’m sure you know by now, this was a seriously mentally ill person who did just fine as long as he took his meds. But he stopped taking them. Mental health care is also something this country is ignoring, and here’s another fine example of what kind of events neglecting the crazy can directly cause.
#49, THC,
I am not responsible for the dumb or irresponsible behavior of others; I resent being lumped in with the idiots and being presumed incompetent.
Good point. Then how do we differentiate between the sensible people and the not so sensible? Hey, just because you are sensible today does not mean you will still be sensible tomorrow. It might also be that you are really fooling me and are totally nonsensible.
As many guns as exist in America today, nothing will stop a criminal from getting one and using it if he so desires. I do not accept a law that stops only NON-CRIMINALS from having them and transforms those otherwise law-abiding citizens concerned with their personal safety in criminals.
Another good point. Then we need to get those guns off the streets. What good are programs that remove guns from the streets when the police turn around and sell those guns again to wholesalers?
Ban all hand guns.
Forbidding carrying licensed concealed weapons has NOT SAVED ONE LIFE. But it HAS COST LIVES, no one knows how many.
How do you know that? I have yet to see any valid statistics to back that up. As with most “prove a negative” arguments, that is a pretty silly statement.
#69, Philleep,
John Lott and Gary Kleck put the high end of self defense uses, not just killings, at 2.5 million per year.
Lott pulled those numbers out of his ass. They have never been backed up or replicated in other studies.
#84, Philleep,
J, back before 1968, anyone at all could buy a machine gun and have it delivered by the USPS. People could, and did, buy milsurp fighter planes, complete with machine guns. Tanks, complete with machine guns and cannons. Warships, likewise. Ammo for all of them was easily obtained, as were bombs.
Bullshit. The military has never sold surplus munitions except to licensed operators and approved countries. Although many artillery pieces, for example, were sold to local military organizations, they were always spiked first so they could not be used even inadvertently. I am unaware of the military ever selling ammunition of any caliber Bombs definitely have never been sold to the public.
Almost all surplus munitions end up as scrap. Which is unfortunate as there are a lot of M1s that would have made excellent hunting weapons.
#92, THC
The per capita first-degree murder rate in the United States, post-WWII, was at it’s lowest in history, and stayed low until the mid-’60s, where it took off. And the rise in murders overall from ‘64 on disguises the fact that second- and third-degree murder was actually declining; the number of deliberate, premeditated murders, first-degree, climbed precipitously from that point onward.
Ahh, the advantage of creative bullshit. How one may just invent some number or claim and throw it out there waiting to clobber some unsuspecting, but honest, fool. From the following chart, you can easily see the lowest rates were until 1904. I wish I could present them in a better format.
Year Homicide Rate
1900 1.2
1901 1.2
1902 1.2
1903 1.1
1904 1.3
1905 2.1
1906 3.9
1907 4.9
1908 4.8
1909 4.2
1910 4.6
1911 5.5
1912 5.4
1913 6.1
1914 6.2
1915 5.9
1916 6.3
1917 6.9
1918 6.5
1919 7.2
1920 6.8
1921 8.1
1922 8.0
1923 7.8
1924 8.1
1925 8.3
1926 8.4
1927 8.4
1928 8.6
1929 8.4
1930 8.8
1931 9.2
1932 9.0
1933 9.7
1934 9.5
1935 8.3
1936 8.0
1937 7.6
1938 6.8
1939 6.4
1940 6.3
1941 6.0
1942 5.9
1943 5.1
1944 5.0
1945 5.7
1946 6.4
1947 6.1
1948 5.9
1949 5.4
1950 5.3
1951 4.9
1952 5.2
1953 4.8
1954 4.8
1955 4.5
1956 4.6
1957 4.5
1958 4.5
1959 4.6
1960 4.7
1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1971 9.1
1972 9.4
1973 9.7
1974 10.
1975 9.9
1976 9.0
1977 9.1
1978 9.2
1979 10.
1980 10.
1981 10.
1982 9.6
1983 8.6
1984 8.4
1985 8.4
1986 9.0
1987 8.7
1988 9.0
1989 9.3
1990 10.
1991 10.
1992 10.
1993 10.
1994 9.6
1995 8.7
1996 7.9
1997 7.4
1998 6.8
1999 6.2
2000 6.1
2001 *7.1
2002 6.1
*- includes 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Source: National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), Vital Statistics
NOTE, the NCHS statistics are usually slightly different from the FBI statistics because of account differences.
See also BOJ figures.
#3 is right. We don’t need gun control laws, we need to beat our kids more.