I’ve tried to actually debate you on issues and political beliefs for over a year and a half

All I’ve seen from you is posting bullshit you can’t back up. Is that what you refer to as debating? When called on your bullshit you run crying that I don’t want to debate.

You and those like you (of both parties and beliefs) are why we have such a mess in this country.

If you say so. My belief is that the right wing nuts that think they have some “god given right” to steal, lie, and abuse Americans are the problem. This is exemplified by the current Republican leadership.

you simply spew hatred at others….you should consider joining the Rev, Wright’s congregation. You probably are the most bitter and wretched person I have ever encountered

Why? If Wright is filled with hatred, what has he preached that is wrong? I asked that earlier. Instead of debating the issue, your effen lazy ass thinks it is just fine to make the ad hominem attack on Wright and Obama as being bad for no specified reason. Just because the talking heads at FOX SPEWS say it is bad doesn’t mean it is. Well, unless you are as bigoted and anti Obama as FOX is.

If you can’t see and read for yourself what Wright said that was hate filled, bigotted and racist….then no one will ever be able to explain it to you. As I said before….bigotry, by ANYONE is still bigotry!!!

So denigrating someone without any other cause because they point out a true fact is bigotry? I would really like to see your justification for that line. Oh yes, I can read. The question is CAN YOU ??? You have shown no evidence that Wright is bigoted or any of his sermons were bigoted.

From now on, I will ignore you as if you don’t exist.

Waaaahh, waaaah, the cry baby’s feelings have been hurt because he has been caught lying again.

If you can’t see and read for yourself what Wright said that was hate filled, bigotted and racist….then no one will ever be able to explain it to you. As I said before….bigotry, by ANYONE is still bigotry!!!

From now on, I will ignore you as if you don’t exist.

So where is your information that the “left” hates Bill Cosby. One religious person hardly represents a whole group or ideology.

There is much to condone Cosby for.

Read this

And this

A Dyson interview where he shows his bias.

Cosby grew up in the same city Wright did at approximately the same time and instead of internalizing the hate, the slights, the prejudice, he moved on with his life and used his background to make a better life.

The Rev King was raised in the South, where he suffered far more abuse than the Rev. Wright ever saw in Philadelphia, but he turned that hatred into a message of hope and reconciliation between the races….but Wright only preached hatred.

You sure don’t know much. Cosby is a comedian. He has done his best to show blacks there is a way to do things. King stressed the difference between blacks and whites until the day he dies. He yearned for equality and knew and acknowledged it wasn’t there.

Now, you so deftly ignored my question so I’ll use caps here.

WHAT THE EFF DID WRIGHT EVER SAY THAT WAS WRONG? If you can’t answer that then you are just blowing smoke out your ass.

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You know, I’m still waiting for you to back up your comment where you said Nancy Pelosi took direct orders from the Trial Lawyers to insist the Telcos not get immunity. You made the bald statement, back it up. For your information, I also emailed my Congressman telling him I was strongly against amnesty for the Telcos.

While I’m sure the Rev. Wright did indeed remember the whites only signs and the slights, I can only think that so did 2 other very prominent men of the Rev.’s generation, Bill Cosby and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King.

Cosby grew up in the same city Wright did at approximately the same time and instead of internalizing the hate, the slights, the prejudice, he moved on with his life and used his background to make a better life.

The Rev King was raised in the South, where he suffered far more abuse than the Rev. Wright ever saw in Philadelphia, but he turned that hatred into a message of hope and reconciliation between the races….but Wright only preached hatred.

I apparently missed your request to supply you with inaccuracies in Wright’s sermons. And of course your usual lefty slurs against me and what you perceive to be my make up. I guess I’m a glutton for abuse because I keep attempting to have a real debate with you about left verses conservative, but I think that maybe your to0 much of a bitter, hateful man that would find the Rev. Wright’s sermons uplifting.

Item number 1….AIDS isn’t a government plot to kill blacks. 2…Hiroshima, while not desirable, was done to save many American lives in a war that we didn’t start. 3…black men may go to prison disproportionately, it’s not a government plot to wipe out blacks. 4….the lack of good schools in the inner cities isn’t the white mens fault, but the fault of the governments of those cities. And on and on. While I actually agree with some of his complaints….most are just plain false.

Instead of looking at what Obama has said in the past and said this past week and seeing the contradictions, you defend him on all counts. You suffer from terminal leftism.

No one deny’s that blacks haven’t exactly had the Club Med deal since the civil war. Or the Jim Crow laws and the lynchings(which by the way weren’t done by or thought up by Republicans, but Democrats) or any of the million slights to a whole group of people. But what you too blind to see lefties can’t understand is that race isn’t the issue here. The issue is nothing more than a persons character and judgement, that wishes us to first nominate him as his parties standard bearer for the Presidency, then elect him to that job without knowing who he is or what he really stands for.

It’s the lack of anything of substance to give voters a chance to see how he thinks he will be any better at doing all of the things he says that *he* can, but that every President since FDR have also claimed they could do and have basically failed.

Does race need to be brought out into the open and seriously debated? You bet your leftist ass it does. And while I give him credit for saying some things that no politician in memory has ever said to both blacks and whites, I didn’t see any suggestions(other than electing *me*, Obama the uniter)on just what he planned to do that is any different than every liberal and moderate/conservative politician before him have offered.(many of those people’s idea’s have brought tremendous change to race issues in this country, as a nation we should be proud of how fast, basically 50 years, that truely amazing changes have taken place)

Really open your mind, because I know you have a good one when you shake the leftist cob webs out of it, and relly read the speech. Not once but several times, then read other speech’s by Obama on the subject and what starts popping out at you is that he’s not offering us anything new, or even anything that worked in the past. No where in the speech does he repudiate welfare, or affirmative action or set asides or quota’s.(he talks about how they may have caused white angst, but didn’t offer to change them) No where does he talk about how to change schools and bussing. He simply recites a list of grievince’s by blacks and then throws in some by whites and proceeds to tell us that we all can become victims and special groups under the far left utopia he has in mind. And that once we all understand that we are really brothers in victimhood, he(Obama) will lead us into the light.

But after all the angst and hand wringing, the one thing that even Liberals that are honest enough to really look at the speech are noticing is this……while he rejects Rev. Wright’s caustic sermons, no where does he explain WHY he sat in the pew and listented to this man spew his hatred for 20 years, and not do something to show his disagreement. I just found out today that Oprah was a member of the Rev. Wright’s church for many years, but she very quietly left the church when he started making his really outragous claims after 9/11. She was smart enough to know this man was toxic, but Obama, the Harvard Law grad wasn’t.
Instead, he denies that the Rev. said those kinds of things, then that he was like the crazy Uncle, then he was no worse than his white Grandmother(the woman who really raised him), gave very large sums to the church(during the time that Michelle Obama claims they were struggling to get by and pay student loans, pay for private schools for his kids on their paltry combined income of over 350,000 a year, that turned into 970, 000 a year that turned into 1.6 million a year)and said he could no more distance himself from the Rev, than he could from his black supporters. Funny that, just last year he insisted that Imus should be fired for making 1 statement that he apologised for profusely for months.(has anyone noticed the Rev. Wright apologising to anyone, about anything he has said that was so hateful, bigoted, anti-semetic and diviseive???) But he feels that what the Rev. said isn’t that bad….sorry….but I and millions of other’s say…..BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Obama is going to win the Democrat nomination. Those that won’t vote for him now wouldn’t have voted for him before the hoopla. He handled himself with dignity, grace, and aplomb. He didn’t use ad hominems or try to blame others.

Obama is going to win the Presidential election. After McCain self implodes, and he will, Obama will gain a significant majority. Clinton might end up being the V-P, but one more attack on Obama by her campaign and the V-P will be Edwards.

You wing nuts obviously don’t like what Wright had to say. Too bad, racist tendencies have that effect. So what was so wrong with his sermons? What inaccuracies can you point to. Not which opinions you disagree with, your bigoted opinions are already known, what facts did he get wrong?

You forget about Imus. He claimed a specific group of women were “nappy headed hoes” simply because of who they were, not because of anything they had ever done. There is a big difference between that and the years of slavery and Jim Crow laws that kept blacks subjugated. I’m sure Wright remembers the “Whites Only” signs.

Hillary’s “having experience from day one” has been debunked, Obama didn’t distance himself enough from Jeremiah Wright …

McCain.

Before this thread retires into the sunset, here is the transcript of Obama’s “Crazy Uncle” speech.

http://www.nysun.com/article/71813?page_no=2

Judgment in choosing who to listen to is critical for a Pres. Where judgment is lacking disaster can happen. Especially when the person has his “finger on the button.”

I am interested in the story about how a year ago the Obama team had rejected the preacher man for certain tasks because they knew he was too controversial and could tarnish Obama. Strange that understanding couldn’t be fully implemented.

Still mostly all a game of guilt by association–the darker emotions of Obama notwithstanding.