Dvorak Poll: Should Hillary Throw In The Towel? Does She Still Even Have A Towel To Throw In?

Of course!
For the good of the Democratic party Hillary should throw in the towel and throw her full support behind Obama.
Don’t hold your breath.

yes, because every minute she’s in the race, she ruins it a little more for the democrats as a whole. either way, polls already show that the democratic party is split into 2 factions, and of those 2 factions, 25% would consider not voting for the other factions nominee if they are the winner.

how messed up (and funny) is it that you hate the other faction so much that you would rather let the other party win.

I thought it was impossible for the dems to lose in 08, but Obama and Clinton are proving me wrong.

Hillary will fight, she knows that a persons repution can suffer a sudden and catastrophic fall. There still may be some hope that someone will dig up some dirt on the guy, or he might suffer some kind of ‘accident’. God I love US politics, better than a mexican soap-opera.

I have always thought Bill was out organizing the superdelegates “but” a few days ago some commentator said they thought they had the nomination from the start and so they have “never” put any real pressure on the supers. That doesn’t make much sense to me, but I haven’t heard anything to the contrary including a month ago the human interest story of Chelsea meeting with that very young superdelegate and all they had was a nice lunch and she didn’t even ask for his support? Also, with the number of supers switching sides to declare for Obama, doesn’t look like the “clever high power no rules Clinton arm twisting” is going on===so she will lose unless Obama commits a felony before Denver.

Just as it should be–Clinton is old school politics. Obama is too but lack of a track record allows the hopeful another disappointment.

Yea—-America!!!!!

Somehow, I don’t think you’d be reacting this way if Barack Obama was the one trailing.

Hillary is likely to end up as the winner of the popular vote and the electoral vote but be denied the nomination because Obama managed to win caucuses and game the rules. He actually ended up with more delegates in Texas despite LOSING the state.

Why are you so eager to have the winner in California(biggest state), Texas(2nd biggest), New York(3rd biggest), Florida(4th biggest) drop out, not to mention the winner of other big states Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, and probably Pennsylvania?

Hillary could easily win the nomination. Win Pennsylvania, then win in Kentucky and West Virginia and Indiana and Puerto Rico.
She would have closed the delegate count to under a hundred by then, and then she wins the big superdelegate primary of 800 delegates.

She should stay in until the bitter end. That way McCain has a better shot.

This is all so ridiculous! Political parties should be banned. The extreme amount of money and power they wield allows them to distort perceived reality and skew the entire election system. Public officials should be elected on their own merits, track history, and stated opinions regardless of their political party (ie. gang) affiliation.

Make a REAL Poll for the Comment section!

Nothing like a rip roaring convention floor battle. You can’t buy that kind of press.

Well, to sum this up, history has shown that very unfortunate things tend to happen to people who challenge the Clintons.

For the good of party aspirations and continuing in-your-face publicity, Hillary and Obama should stretch out the primary as long as possible. But if they had the ability, they should slowly turn it into a love-fest with the over-all delegate winner as President and the other as Vice. That obvious combo imho, would be formidable in the next election.

And it should be a late announcement so the nation could go nuts about it for a while, sustaining until the election. Luckily, hatred, power-mongering and petty jealousy can be depended upon to hand another election over to the Republicans.

RBG

The dirty little secret that no one in the Hillary camp will admit out loud. What happens if someone takes a shot (literally) at Obama? Who steps into the void then? Can you re-enter a race you’ve dropped out of if the presumptive candidate can no longer pursue the office?

All she has to do is wait at this point. She’s got nothing to lose since she’s already lost.

I was just wondering. Are there enough Super Del’s to decide this right now? If so, they have the power to do so. If not, they will after a couple of more primaries.

If Gore teams up with Obama, might Hillary team with Nader? That ought to really enliven the race.

She should stay!

When people say “for the good of the party” what they really mean is “for the good of the party elders”. Ted Kennedy might be a good Senator, but he is a terrible talent picker. Look back at John Kerry, who was also pushed by Kennedy. Obama will lose in November. He is John Edwards(from `04) all smiles and style, but he gets 85% Black support. That’s it folks!

McCain will end up with more Democratic cross over vote than anyone since Reagan. Finally a candidate that can unite the parties… in a Democratic defeat.

The problem with the Dems(the establishment)is that they come from safe districts and don’t know what a fight really is. Dems like Rahm Emmanuel or James Carville win because they are tough b@stards.

The democrats are just like Charlie Brown going to kick the football only to go sprawling on the ground once again.

Keep running Hillary. Every day you stay in is another percentage point that McCain will win by.

Last summer I would have said there was no way the Republicans could win the ’08 election. I was right there wasn’t and isn’t. The Democrats though have found a way to lose the election.

God Bless their leftest little hearts.

Clinton should throw in the towel, McCain and Cheney should drop dead, Bush should get shot and killed on his next trip to the Middle East, and the election should be between Obama and Nader!

Even with the war, economy, torture, alienating the entire planet Earth, CNN and the NY Times.

McCain will win.

Bush will get his library.

I’d love to know what the heck is really going on in the world.

#18, Obama was on the ballot in FL, and he chose to take his name off the ballot in MI. I don’t see that it helps to have a commander in chief that makes such boneheaded decisions as not campaigning in a big state and taking his name off a ballot in another one.

How can Obama or Clinton win, anyway? You’ve got McCain, who at one point was seemingly being wooed to run for the Dems… and you’ve got Lieberman, former Dem VP candidate, as McCain’s seemingly de facto VP. Talk about cross-over vote potential.

RBG

#2,#16 – If there’s a country left after 4 years of Obama or McCain I have a feeling Pelosi will be running in 2012. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s behind some of Hillary’s problems now. Can’t have two alpha-females in Washington at the same time.

#42 – “The big question is where will we hide when McCain wins the election, but two dozen big cities in the country are burnt to the ground to protest the discrimination that took place in the election.”

No worries, these type of people usually burn their own neighborhoods. Weird but true.

#43. While a McCain win is not what I want, it is comforting to know the “old school” GOP already lost.
Fact is, McCain is not the special interest PUSSY that the GOP party wants. I’m thrilled.

Now they are making up and pretending to have unity where as everyone knows it;s to save face. You see Bush doing his little Hitler dance on the whitehouse porch all giddy to kiss McCain’s hairy ass. I still think it was the kiss of death, but he may win after all.

Hillary should stay in until the bulldog bitter end.

The longer this drags out, the more the Clintons and their cronies get to dig their own grave. They are losing credibility among the Democratic party.

I personally believe the Clintons were a curse upon the Democratic party, to devolve it into a non-thinking, and often mean-spirited, cliche hulk of brain-dead entity.

Elections lost by Democrats since the Clintons?

1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004.

The Democratic party has some valuable causes.

The Democratic party has a lot of potential, but only if the page gets turned on the Clintons.

The way things are working out right now, it is going to be a complete purging.

So keep Hillary in. The best way to purge bad behavior is to have seen a recent example … let Hillary set a fine example of why the page needs to be turned.

Yes Hillary should stay in.

For a long time the party conventions have just been big PR events. Now that there is a likelihood of having a “real” convention, every one is in a tizzy about it ruining the party.

Forget the “lets play nice” politics, give me a knock down drag out fight, in the primary or general, so I can see who the candidates really are, and what they really believe.

#37 MikeN said, ” I don’t see that it helps to have a commander in chief that makes such boneheaded decisions as not campaigning in a big state and taking his name off a ballot in another one.”

The truth is, for better or worse, all the Dem candidates and the DNC, agreed not to campaign in those two specific states. While I would agree that it is queer to see a politician keep his word about anything, I’m not sure I would call it a “boneheaded decision”.

You obviously reside in one of the afflicted states. I think I can imagine the frustration which Dems in those states, must be feeling. I would suggest your anger might be better aimed at the Dem leaders in your state and the DNC. It seems to me that those are the people directly responsible for your predicament, not the candidates.

Oh, and just to throw a little fuel on the fire, you and other residents of those states might be interested to know that most people of other states, couldn’t care less if any of you ever get to vote, in any future primary. I suppose that’s the exact reason you wanted to move your primaries ahead. I guess you figured that if you were early enough in the season, the rest of us might care. Dude, we really don’t. We’re not even motivated enough about it to pretend we care. Sure, we all expected something like this from the drama queens in FL, but most of us didn’t expect MI to get involved in this mess. Just to clarify, we still don’t care enough to be surprised about MI, it’s just that it was unexpected. On a brighter note, you guys probably won’t be the butts of many more jokes about it. The comedy writers have already started to notice that audiences don’t care enough about you to even laugh at the jokes. It’s sort of like making fun of the Special Olympics Coordinated Swimming Team, of some small island nation.

To recap: Since you’re apparently a HRC fan from FL, I realize that I’m never going to convince you that keeping ones’ word, is a good thing. So, I couldn’t resist giving you a little tweak. You see, if I couldn’t find a way to laugh about your argument, I’d probably cry.

#53, Or the Democratic Party rolling over on every real issue….

I am so fed up with the lying, cheating, do anything to stay in power Repugnant Party, I would vote for Elmer Fudd be for I would put an X in the republican column. I can’t even start to list all the things I find offensive. There are lawyers making more sense when their lips move!

My question to the republicans is “Who is going to pay for all the wasted treasure when you are unwilling to make the American people pay for it?” I have yet been able to spend my way to wealth. Have any of you?

Found on teh net …

“Hillary Huckabee will never drop out. She will filibuster the vote at the convention. She will cut off the electricity to the convention hall. She will fake a heart attack. She will take Chairwoman Pelosi hostage. She will take Sen. Obama hostage. She will go to court to enjoin the convention and have the primaries declared unconstitutional. She will continue to throw the kitchen sink and scorch the earth. She will cry. She will throw tantrums. She will tell more lies. She will cut off the hands of the ballot counters. She will crown herself with the crown of Charlemagne. But Hillary Huckabee will never drop out.”

#50 – “Because although the Dem’s have a lot of terrific people in the party, none of them seem to be running the show.”

Our real problem is exactly the same thing can be said of the Republicans.

#52 “And let no one be confused: lack of progress in America IS BECAUSE OF OBSTRUCTIONIST REPUBLICANS who put party politics above the good of our country.”

This will be fun: So the repubs OBSTRUCTED the dems from NOT funding the war? They blocked the dems from NOT moving the pen to the paper giving Bush more money. Okay, Dems are better comedians but always get caught lying. LOL!

Why the push to avoid a primary fight? The Democrats are getting all the media attention, while McCain is just an afterthought. This is good for the Party, plus the longer Hillary stays in, the less time that McCain knows who he’s running against.

I said it last time and I’ll say it again, the rationale for Hillary’s dropping out is ‘we don’t like you’

@62 – I could dig up information if I felt like it, but from 1994 to about 2002 the entire country was shifting strongly to the Republican side.

You can parse stuff, like how Bill Clinton won re-election against cadaver Bob Dole with 49% of the vote. Or how Gore “really” won the 2000 election … I believe more voters in Florida intended to vote for Gore due to the butterfly ballot. No argument here.

But trying to say that the Democrats had anything truly good happen from 1994-2002 is about as valid as an Earth is flat argument.

I have always held the position if the top is rotten, the body suffers.

Mean behavior, heavy handed tactics, personal attacks, lying and/or non-lying using half-truths is not a successful way to do things and that is the Clinton way.

Partisan hacks love that stuff. But losing is losing and entertainment is entertainment, neither have anything to do with progress.

Obama is going to change things for the better, assuming he is the nominee. He stays “out of the gutter”.

The Clinton way is a cowardly way where you always have to watch your back and make excuses when you get caught. It’s a sickness.

True strength is being able to be honest and reasonably transparent and acting in an honorable fashion.

Frankly, that’s why I like Obama. He has a healthy and vigorous attitude and I am very pleased to how he has reacted to the negative attacks this last month.

Hillary will win PA because between Philadelphia and Pittsburg (both of which will go for Obama) are a bunch of Hillbilly types that prefer Clinton. Clinton will gain maybe +8 delegates, that will be erased two weeks later when Obama easily beats Clinton in Indiana and North Carolina.

This will be the point at which if Hillary wants to have a political future in the Democratic Party leadership, she needs to step down.

On May 20th, Oregon will guarantee that Obama has a majority of regular delegates. At that point the only way for her to win is if 235 of the 350 remaining superdelegates are stupid enough to think that supporting Hillary Clinton is more important than party integrity. It wont happen!!

BTW #63, McCain is not stupid. He knows he will be facing Obama and not Clinton.

If our opinions here ever get compiled into comprehensive data I vote for her to step aside.

It’s just time for new blood.

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http://www.popularchoice08.com

…lets see who wins the real popular vote this election

My point is the The New york times has yet to report that.

There’s no law that says you have to take your name off the ballot. If Obama can’t judge the Clintons’ sneakiness, how will he handle foreign leaders?

#73, Lyin’MikeN

The DNC decided that Michigan and Florida could not move their primaries up. The RULES said that Michigan and Florida results wouldn’t count.

So you can Bush it and ignore the rules or follow the rules and demonstrate yourself to be a law abiding person. But we know where you stand on the issue.