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		<title>By: concerned citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only safe way to operate a cell phone is by using a headset that uses Air-Tube technology. For more information visit http://www.rfsafe.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only safe way to operate a cell phone is by using a headset that uses Air-Tube technology. For more information visit <a href="http://www.rfsafe.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.rfsafe.com' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.rfsafe.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: billybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>billybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COOL! Now I can start smoking again.

Smoke em if you got em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COOL! Now I can start smoking again.</p>
<p>Smoke em if you got em.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1059144</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13: &lt;i&gt;I take virtually everything I read on the Internet with a grain of salt.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t salt very bad for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13: <i>I take virtually everything I read on the Internet with a grain of salt.</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t salt very bad for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1059073</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;# 23 v said,
on March 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm 

Why do people run this shit?

Cell phones are low radio waves, with a frequency just above TV.

Radar is 10x that.

Infrared light, which hurts in large doses, is 25x the frequency of Radar.

Visible light is up another 15x.

Above that is UV.

UV causes cancer because it has enough energy to damage DNA.

Visible light does not.

&quot;So if cell phones do cause cancer (which most research doesn’t support), then we should be TERRIFIED of light bulbs.&quot;


Radio waves are scary because they will penetrate tissue at low wattages- light will not do that ordinarily, and when it does you are talking lasers with acute tissue damage. I avoid exposure to ANY nearby and/or high energy RF radiation. That includes cellphones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;# 23 v said,<br />
on March 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm </p>
<p>Why do people run this shit?</p>
<p>Cell phones are low radio waves, with a frequency just above TV.</p>
<p>Radar is 10x that.</p>
<p>Infrared light, which hurts in large doses, is 25x the frequency of Radar.</p>
<p>Visible light is up another 15x.</p>
<p>Above that is UV.</p>
<p>UV causes cancer because it has enough energy to damage DNA.</p>
<p>Visible light does not.</p>
<p>&#8220;So if cell phones do cause cancer (which most research doesn’t support), then we should be TERRIFIED of light bulbs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Radio waves are scary because they will penetrate tissue at low wattages- light will not do that ordinarily, and when it does you are talking lasers with acute tissue damage. I avoid exposure to ANY nearby and/or high energy RF radiation. That includes cellphones.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too much of anything is usually bad, some people (women), just don&#039;t know when to hang up.  But this is true of excess in anything.  Excesses in; drinking, eating, smoking, sunlight, sex, driving, flying, etc. etc. etc. ... All can be lethal.  So go live in a cave and be sure to be moderate, but you&#039;re still gonna die.  You decide, a moderate, safe, boring, healthy life, OR ... you can be like those given to excess - burn the candle at both ends - use your cellphone while eating an enormous steak and drinking your 6 pack of beer, then off to your Lazyboy recliner to watch the game on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much of anything is usually bad, some people (women), just don&#8217;t know when to hang up.  But this is true of excess in anything.  Excesses in; drinking, eating, smoking, sunlight, sex, driving, flying, etc. etc. etc. &#8230; All can be lethal.  So go live in a cave and be sure to be moderate, but you&#8217;re still gonna die.  You decide, a moderate, safe, boring, healthy life, OR &#8230; you can be like those given to excess &#8211; burn the candle at both ends &#8211; use your cellphone while eating an enormous steak and drinking your 6 pack of beer, then off to your Lazyboy recliner to watch the game on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058743</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This gives a wavelength of about 12.5 mm, or just under 5 inches...&quot;

Sorry, that should read 125 mm or 12.5 cm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This gives a wavelength of about 12.5 mm, or just under 5 inches&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, that should read 125 mm or 12.5 cm.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058742</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 5:
... &quot;Another step would be give them a quarter for the pay phone.&quot;

A quarter? Wow, where do you live? Around here it&#039;s at least fifty cents, if you can even find one!

# 9:
The only real threat to cell phone users is from me when they talk so loud you can here them a block away.

I believe the problem is cell phone makers don&#039;t provide loud enough feedback -- people can&#039;t hear their own voices in the phone, so they talk louder. A significant part of the circuitry in an old wired phone is for feeding back just the right amount of the talker&#039;s own voice. The Bell system did lots of research to get this just right.

As for how harmful various frequencies of electromagnetic radiation are, I believe cell phones use frequencies close to that used by microwave ovens, or about 2.4 GHz. This gives a wavelength of about 12.5 mm, or just under 5 inches, about the distance between the ears of an adult head. So the brain case could act as a resonator, perhaps increasing the effects. And surely it doesn&#039;t help that the antenna is held right next to the head! OMG! We&#039;re DOOMED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 5:<br />
&#8230; &#8220;Another step would be give them a quarter for the pay phone.&#8221;</p>
<p>A quarter? Wow, where do you live? Around here it&#8217;s at least fifty cents, if you can even find one!</p>
<p># 9:<br />
The only real threat to cell phone users is from me when they talk so loud you can here them a block away.</p>
<p>I believe the problem is cell phone makers don&#8217;t provide loud enough feedback &#8212; people can&#8217;t hear their own voices in the phone, so they talk louder. A significant part of the circuitry in an old wired phone is for feeding back just the right amount of the talker&#8217;s own voice. The Bell system did lots of research to get this just right.</p>
<p>As for how harmful various frequencies of electromagnetic radiation are, I believe cell phones use frequencies close to that used by microwave ovens, or about 2.4 GHz. This gives a wavelength of about 12.5 mm, or just under 5 inches, about the distance between the ears of an adult head. So the brain case could act as a resonator, perhaps increasing the effects. And surely it doesn&#8217;t help that the antenna is held right next to the head! OMG! We&#8217;re DOOMED!</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Bachman</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058710</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Bachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, now hold on here...

If cell phones really damage the brain that badly, then more people should be idiots.

See that blond girl walking down the street, talking on her over-accessorized flip phone? According to what I&#039;m thinking, using the research stated above, that person may very well turn out to be a dumb blond because of the damage to her brain.

Go ahead people, laugh. Happy april fool&#039;s day, despite the fact I&#039;m not quite in the spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, now hold on here&#8230;</p>
<p>If cell phones really damage the brain that badly, then more people should be idiots.</p>
<p>See that blond girl walking down the street, talking on her over-accessorized flip phone? According to what I&#8217;m thinking, using the research stated above, that person may very well turn out to be a dumb blond because of the damage to her brain.</p>
<p>Go ahead people, laugh. Happy april fool&#8217;s day, despite the fact I&#8217;m not quite in the spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: bilgo bad</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058706</link>
		<dc:creator>bilgo bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have to absolutely outlaw driving. Shoulda stopped the sentence there. Driving kills more people then anything else, yet no one wants to do anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have to absolutely outlaw driving. Shoulda stopped the sentence there. Driving kills more people then anything else, yet no one wants to do anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Light Bulb Jihad</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058575</link>
		<dc:creator>Light Bulb Jihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re either with us ... or, you&#039;re in the dark.</description>
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		<title>By: v</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/03/31/cell-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-yet-another-study/comment-page-2/#comment-1058554</link>
		<dc:creator>v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people run this shit?

Cell phones are low radio waves, with a frequency just above TV.

Radar is 10x that.

Infrared light, which hurts in large doses, is 25x the frequency of Radar.

Visible light is up another 15x.

Above that is UV.

UV causes cancer because it has enough energy to damage DNA.

Visible light does not.

So if cell phones do cause cancer (which most research doesn&#039;t support), then we should be TERRIFIED of light bulbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people run this shit?</p>
<p>Cell phones are low radio waves, with a frequency just above TV.</p>
<p>Radar is 10x that.</p>
<p>Infrared light, which hurts in large doses, is 25x the frequency of Radar.</p>
<p>Visible light is up another 15x.</p>
<p>Above that is UV.</p>
<p>UV causes cancer because it has enough energy to damage DNA.</p>
<p>Visible light does not.</p>
<p>So if cell phones do cause cancer (which most research doesn&#8217;t support), then we should be TERRIFIED of light bulbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: Does this only count when the phone is in use? I only use my phone a couple of times a week, but I always have it on me. Is it bad just carrying it in my pocket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: Does this only count when the phone is in use? I only use my phone a couple of times a week, but I always have it on me. Is it bad just carrying it in my pocket?</p>
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		<title>By: SJP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Wait, wait, wait! I followed your logic with the coffee bad/coffee good, and eggs good/eggs bad  argument, but alcohol bad/ alcohol IN MODERATION good?  Nobody told me this!

I saw this report on tv and they claimed people used 6 recharged devices per day.  I thought this seemed high. But I use a cell phone, laptop, wireless home phone, electric razor and iPod everyday (and that&#039;s what without really thinking about it too much --which I can&#039;t do anymore anyway thanks to recharged devices).

Anyway, to sum up...donuts are good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Wait, wait, wait! I followed your logic with the coffee bad/coffee good, and eggs good/eggs bad  argument, but alcohol bad/ alcohol IN MODERATION good?  Nobody told me this!</p>
<p>I saw this report on tv and they claimed people used 6 recharged devices per day.  I thought this seemed high. But I use a cell phone, laptop, wireless home phone, electric razor and iPod everyday (and that&#8217;s what without really thinking about it too much &#8211;which I can&#8217;t do anymore anyway thanks to recharged devices).</p>
<p>Anyway, to sum up&#8230;donuts are good!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, but those numbers are from before the ubiquitous use of cell phones.  If his claim is that cell phone use will kill more than smoking, or something close to it, then cell phones will be more deadly than smoking.  You can update the math for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, but those numbers are from before the ubiquitous use of cell phones.  If his claim is that cell phone use will kill more than smoking, or something close to it, then cell phones will be more deadly than smoking.  You can update the math for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had a pro-active government who actively served the citizens, cell phones would be thoroughly studied. They would have been studied before everybody owned them.

I&#039;m generally not an alarmist but this issue deserves serious study. We absolutely know that radio wave at that frequency cause physical damage to the body... but maybe not at that very low wattage.  That&#039;s what needs to be studied.

We also have to absolutely outlaw driving while talking on a cell phone ... even a hands-free one.  People should be paying attention to their driving... not arguing with the wife or negotiating a contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had a pro-active government who actively served the citizens, cell phones would be thoroughly studied. They would have been studied before everybody owned them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m generally not an alarmist but this issue deserves serious study. We absolutely know that radio wave at that frequency cause physical damage to the body&#8230; but maybe not at that very low wattage.  That&#8217;s what needs to be studied.</p>
<p>We also have to absolutely outlaw driving while talking on a cell phone &#8230; even a hands-free one.  People should be paying attention to their driving&#8230; not arguing with the wife or negotiating a contract.</p>
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