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With tears in his eyes, President Clinton told a roomful of clerics this morning that he had sinned, speaking just hours before the world was presented a painstaking account by prosecutors of when, where and how.
Addressing an annual prayer breakfast at the White House, Mr. Clinton drew on the New Testament, the Yom Kippur liturgy and Ernest Hemingway as he made his most abject confession yet of personal failure, while declaring that he would defend and redeem his Presidency.
‘’I don’t think there is a fancy way to say that I have sinned,’’ he admitted softly, saying that after resisting expressions of contrition he had reached ‘’the rock-bottom truth of where I am.’’
Forgiveness is so important to Bill. And Hillary.
>>you know consistency is the hobgoblin of
>>small minds.
Bobster, what Ralph Waldo actually wrote is “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”. Keyword being “foolish”.
As to your previous comment about my “hurtful” remarks, your posts are getting murkier and murkier. Did you not get a good night’s sleep, or what?
#21–Hey Mustard==thank you. Waldo’s version much sharper than my own poor recollection==I’ll try to remember that.
Murky, lost thought, bad typing, private context==all are bad. Not made better by 6 years of poor sleeping. Ever since I got off my waterbed and onto a normal mattress–but current floor won’t support it.
I’ve read that about every 7 years our biology changes in some noticeable way. Mine was sleep. I just hope it changes again.
#20 – Seriously–its all context dependent.
Well, as long you aren’t claiming anything to be dependent on rational thought….
#23–OFTLO. Yes context. and by your post, we can see a departure from rational thought. Why would you do that? Oops. Why would you do THAT??????????????????? ((Too many ?’s, but in context, I thought you needed it.))
If a sentence/idea is only part of an argument to get to the gravamen, it is dilatory to slow down with most/many instead of all whether express or assumed.
When the same core idea is the central point, then yes, more care should be taken to be precise.
You mostly see this I hope?
# 17 Cursor_ said,
Name one person on that pretty list of yours that didn’t replace god with himself. An ideology doesn’t have to be called Christianity, Islam, etc. to be a religion my friend…but that’s really beside the point. Besides being atheists can you see anything else those fuckers had in common? How about they were all dogmatic and abandoned reason. Just consider the atheist opposition to religion to be a small part of the larger opposition to dogma and irrationality.
Also, you forgot to mention all the mostly atheistic societies today that are more peaceful, healthy, and happy than their religious counterparts.
Good job AaronSTL, unfortunately the religionists are going to ignore those arguments that makes sense.
Giving someone the advice of, “Have faith in god”, is no better than an insult. It offers nothing. No one even agrees about what god is and religionists want to push it on everyone. Such arrogance to make the fantastic claim that their god exists and they know exactly what he wants everyone to do in bed.
Religionists support rape, genocide, infanticide, and slavery. They are un-American and hate democracy.
This Wright thing has not hurt Obama a bit. Neocons are pissed about it. Funny thing is that their cult leaders including Farwell and Robertson have said the very same things. Why doesn’t fox news mention that?
And remember kids, there is no god. Believe in you own potential. You do not need permission to be a good person.
>>Religionists support rape, genocide,
>>infanticide, and slavery. They are
>>un-American and hate democracy.
Aw man. Have you ever met someone who believes in God, JulieB? You are so bitter, jaded, cynical, and deranged, you should probably be institutionalized. Criminy.
#27–Quite Right Mister Mustard. I don’t think those religionists are un-American either.
Thank you for the reply Mustard. It seems obvious to me that those who believe in the bible are bitter and deranged.
Have you ever REALLY read it? Here is conclusive proof of my claims that religionists support rape, genocide, infanticide, and slavery. For the record, I do not support these things.
Judges 21:10-24
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Exodus 21:7-11
I also submit as evidence the claims of religionists who seek to inject god into the public arena regardless of the majority’s wishes and in disregard of the constitution, that they are in fact un-American.
How can you say otherwise Mustard?
Again, thank you for the reply referring specifically to me.
#29–Julieb==that was cool. All from
http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
I take it?
but what about the “New Testament?” You know, God apparently changes his moral instruction to make faith a requirement for heaven? Why? It’s a mystery, but he said so.
#30 – Primo investigative journalism there Bobbo… You blew the lid right of JulieB’s faux Biblical scholastics…
Of course, it doesn’t change that she’s generally right.
Of course the Bible is a BS hack job of various superstitious writings, all co-opted from older but equally absurd legends and myths, bound together by power hungry men to use as a tool to pacify the masses…
…and of course after being mistranslated over and over through the years by czars and kings and other assorted tyrants, we’ve settled on the King James version, which bears no resemblance at all to the original text… but must, somehow, have served King Jame’s political needs at the time.
Yes folks… if you have a high school diploma and can score at least 65% on a basic logic test, you should know that religion is bunk and religious texts are bunk.
The notion of there being some sort of supernatural entity is, in my view, also bunk, but whether or not there is something akin to a god with some ancilatory connection to the natural universe is an argument that has nothing to do with religion. Religion is about political control. Spirituality is about personal comfort.
Now, its easy to be duped by religion and thus easy to be religious. Not all religious people are bad. In fact, many religious people don’t even believe in a god… they just aren’t aware that they don’t yet.
JulieB uses the word religionist, which seems to me to be politically loaded and full of agenda, and I am in fact quite sympathetic… but it isn’t accurate.
There probably aren’t a lot of evil Quakers or Unitarians. The typical Methodist isn’t out to erase rock and roll from our cultural history. Bhuddists aren’t lining up outside planned parenthood centers shouting hateful epitaphs at 15 year old girls.
It’s hard to separate the religious people who in fact do revel in and dream of an Old Testament end to our world, and who push their anti-culture agendas on us from the majority of the faithful, be they Christian, Muslim, Jew, whatever, because the silence of the majority is deafening.
People of faith… You need to publicly, vocally, frequently, reverently, denounce those who have co-opted your faith to drive wedges into the mainstream. These people aren’t God’s chosen… They are simply God’s Bullies, and they are philistines and archaic in a 21st Century world. They will drag us down into a muddy reliving of the Dark Ages and bring famine, war, and poverty along with it.
Anyway… religion ain’t all cupcakes and creampuffs. The history of religion follows pretty close with the histories of things like tyranny, murder, hate, war, and the like. This isn’t disputable.
Sure, a zealot can toss out BS about Stalin and Mao – but the reality is that their crimes were ideological and tyrannical. They were about political power, not religion. In fact, that I have ever discovered, no one has ever been murdered in the name of atheism.*
*this last line is obviously a troll… who is gonna fall for it?