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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112574</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not take that long to fire 50 shots with a automatic weapon. evan changing the clip I an do it in thirty seconds or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not take that long to fire 50 shots with a automatic weapon. evan changing the clip I an do it in thirty seconds or less.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no excuse for firing 50 bullets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no excuse for firing 50 bullets.</p>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112296</link>
		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undercover cops burst into 93 year old woman&#039;s home in a bad neighborhood here in Atlanta based on a more than dubious &quot;tip&quot;. Poor old woman hears them breaking down her door, fires at the unidentified intruders with a small caliber handgun, and of course gets murdered ( Lets fucking call it by it&#039;s rightful name here ) in a hail of gunfire. I feel safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undercover cops burst into 93 year old woman&#8217;s home in a bad neighborhood here in Atlanta based on a more than dubious &#8220;tip&#8221;. Poor old woman hears them breaking down her door, fires at the unidentified intruders with a small caliber handgun, and of course gets murdered ( Lets fucking call it by it&#8217;s rightful name here ) in a hail of gunfire. I feel safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ah_Yea</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112090</link>
		<dc:creator>Ah_Yea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got a Big AMEN to that!

What you just said cleanly and clearly speaks the lesson from this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got a Big AMEN to that!</p>
<p>What you just said cleanly and clearly speaks the lesson from this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112084</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30--Ah Yea==In any scandal it is informative and more shocking to discover what is legal.  In these cop shooting cases, what is clear to me is just what you say==if a cop perceives danger (ie, he is on the street) then he can shoot anyone and the department will call it appropriate.

I could see this if you or I (Team Ah Yea!) were given a gun and put on the street.  But not if we were selected because we were trained and qualified?

Pilots are trained and qualified.  Otherwise, we would all agree it would be appropriate for them to grab parachutes should an engine go out.  Imagine the fear of being in an airplane and an engine stops.

Police are too untrained, not held to standards in this country.  They would be heroes if they took one every once in a while in the name of civil liberties.  Don&#039;t hold your breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30&#8211;Ah Yea==In any scandal it is informative and more shocking to discover what is legal.  In these cop shooting cases, what is clear to me is just what you say==if a cop perceives danger (ie, he is on the street) then he can shoot anyone and the department will call it appropriate.</p>
<p>I could see this if you or I (Team Ah Yea!) were given a gun and put on the street.  But not if we were selected because we were trained and qualified?</p>
<p>Pilots are trained and qualified.  Otherwise, we would all agree it would be appropriate for them to grab parachutes should an engine go out.  Imagine the fear of being in an airplane and an engine stops.</p>
<p>Police are too untrained, not held to standards in this country.  They would be heroes if they took one every once in a while in the name of civil liberties.  Don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Ah_Yea</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112069</link>
		<dc:creator>Ah_Yea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17, bobbo.  Thank you for your insightful comments.  The thing that bothers me as well is the number of shots and their &quot;kill first, ask questions later&quot; methods.

Honestly, I can&#039;t say how I would react in this type of situation, but I doubt I would empty two clips into someone without being damn sure that he had a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17, bobbo.  Thank you for your insightful comments.  The thing that bothers me as well is the number of shots and their &#8220;kill first, ask questions later&#8221; methods.</p>
<p>Honestly, I can&#8217;t say how I would react in this type of situation, but I doubt I would empty two clips into someone without being damn sure that he had a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Catshit</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1112063</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Catshit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18, gq,

Because you&#039;re still just a fucking asshole. And there is a lot of evidence for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, gq,</p>
<p>Because you&#8217;re still just a fucking asshole. And there is a lot of evidence for that.</p>
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		<title>By: gquaglia</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111917</link>
		<dc:creator>gquaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Please cite evidence as to why you feel that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Evidence on why I feel a certain way?  None of your fucking business, how&#039;s that for evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Please cite evidence as to why you feel that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Evidence on why I feel a certain way?  None of your fucking business, how&#8217;s that for evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10--Ah Yea==thanks for the links.  I looked for background before posting and couldn&#039;t find anything as detailed as wiki.  As you say, still a lot missing.

This could be murder by cop as easy as not.  From what wiki says, I see the &quot;correct&quot; procedure to have been to let the suspects get their guns and exit the cars before starting the arrest.  

Police murder people when they create the very danger they wind up protecting themselves from.  Especially here where the cops are &quot;experienced.&quot;

I thought this last night watching Worlds Worst something or other and cops were stopping that guy from driving a tank down the street.  They used bolt cutter to open the overhead hatch then told the guy to stop.  He did not, so they killed him.  In this and so many other circumstances, I don&#039;t know why a bullet to the leg wouldn&#039;t be the first step.

It turns out, cops don&#039;t put their own lives on the line to protect us, too often, they put our lives on the line to protect themselves (AFTER putting themselves in danger.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10&#8211;Ah Yea==thanks for the links.  I looked for background before posting and couldn&#8217;t find anything as detailed as wiki.  As you say, still a lot missing.</p>
<p>This could be murder by cop as easy as not.  From what wiki says, I see the &#8220;correct&#8221; procedure to have been to let the suspects get their guns and exit the cars before starting the arrest.  </p>
<p>Police murder people when they create the very danger they wind up protecting themselves from.  Especially here where the cops are &#8220;experienced.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought this last night watching Worlds Worst something or other and cops were stopping that guy from driving a tank down the street.  They used bolt cutter to open the overhead hatch then told the guy to stop.  He did not, so they killed him.  In this and so many other circumstances, I don&#8217;t know why a bullet to the leg wouldn&#8217;t be the first step.</p>
<p>It turns out, cops don&#8217;t put their own lives on the line to protect us, too often, they put our lives on the line to protect themselves (AFTER putting themselves in danger.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much that is wrong here its unbelievable, but I think the main thing is there was no gun... the cops never saw a gun. Why the F- can cops shoot people because they are scared? Why do we as citizens allow this to happen? Second how the H- can they be so scared they fire 50 shots?!!?! They where scaring themselves!! They where afraid or their own shadow and this Bell guy died for it!!

Come on people we need to make our voices heard and get these public servants inline before they line us up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much that is wrong here its unbelievable, but I think the main thing is there was no gun&#8230; the cops never saw a gun. Why the F- can cops shoot people because they are scared? Why do we as citizens allow this to happen? Second how the H- can they be so scared they fire 50 shots?!!?! They where scaring themselves!! They where afraid or their own shadow and this Bell guy died for it!!</p>
<p>Come on people we need to make our voices heard and get these public servants inline before they line us up.</p>
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		<title>By: natefrog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111814</link>
		<dc:creator>natefrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, gquaglia;

Please cite evidence as to why you feel that way.

I won&#039;t hold my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, gquaglia;</p>
<p>Please cite evidence as to why you feel that way.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: spiessman</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111789</link>
		<dc:creator>spiessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple common sense measures will keep you alive much longer:

1) Don&#039;t boast about having a gun in the car, and don&#039;t threaten to go get said gun when you get into an altercation at a strip club.  This holds true whether or not you actually have a gun.

2) Don&#039;t drive drunk, and certainly don&#039;t try to run over cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple common sense measures will keep you alive much longer:</p>
<p>1) Don&#8217;t boast about having a gun in the car, and don&#8217;t threaten to go get said gun when you get into an altercation at a strip club.  This holds true whether or not you actually have a gun.</p>
<p>2) Don&#8217;t drive drunk, and certainly don&#8217;t try to run over cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111756</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh,

police in general deal with society&#039;s scum  I&#039;m glad to see however that everyone is playing monday morning quarterback with this topic.  the fact is we&#039;ll never know what the hell happened that night.  The victim, as blacks here in socal say &quot;got blasted,&quot; the &quot;pigs or po-po&quot; all gave testimony about the incident, but different angles of the shooting give you a different perspective everytime. I can only assume that, other than the first idiot that fired his weapon, the others went on pure instinct and fired believing that one of their own was in mortal danger.  the feds won&#039;t touch this, the police commission will exonerate them and at this point the family should just sue in civil court, get millions of dollars in a settlement, move out of the ghetto and move to a nice white community  its the american way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh,</p>
<p>police in general deal with society&#8217;s scum  I&#8217;m glad to see however that everyone is playing monday morning quarterback with this topic.  the fact is we&#8217;ll never know what the hell happened that night.  The victim, as blacks here in socal say &#8220;got blasted,&#8221; the &#8220;pigs or po-po&#8221; all gave testimony about the incident, but different angles of the shooting give you a different perspective everytime. I can only assume that, other than the first idiot that fired his weapon, the others went on pure instinct and fired believing that one of their own was in mortal danger.  the feds won&#8217;t touch this, the police commission will exonerate them and at this point the family should just sue in civil court, get millions of dollars in a settlement, move out of the ghetto and move to a nice white community  its the american way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinn Fein</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111658</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinn Fein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that &quot;Pro-Authoritarian Types&quot; would say, &quot;Oh, quit crying, it was only a lousy 50 shots on a legit shoot.  Usually, officers would be packing an UZI or two and THEN the shot count would&#039;ve been alot higher.  So what?&quot;

Hey everybody, know how many people would be dead or, wounded had the cops forgotten to put bullets in their guns that night?  ZERO.  

Its beyond stupid to start giving police the ability to shoot anybody anytime they feel threatened...look out &quot;J&quot; walkers, little old ladies, delivery bicyclists...and the REAL scum, anybody who speeds 6-11 MPH over the limit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that &#8220;Pro-Authoritarian Types&#8221; would say, &#8220;Oh, quit crying, it was only a lousy 50 shots on a legit shoot.  Usually, officers would be packing an UZI or two and THEN the shot count would&#8217;ve been alot higher.  So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey everybody, know how many people would be dead or, wounded had the cops forgotten to put bullets in their guns that night?  ZERO.  </p>
<p>Its beyond stupid to start giving police the ability to shoot anybody anytime they feel threatened&#8230;look out &#8220;J&#8221; walkers, little old ladies, delivery bicyclists&#8230;and the REAL scum, anybody who speeds 6-11 MPH over the limit!</p>
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		<title>By: gmknobl</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/28/blood-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1111631</link>
		<dc:creator>gmknobl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had time to reload, you had time to think.  If you continued to shoot thereafter, you weren&#039;t thinking.  

Thinking goes with gun ownership.  If you don&#039;t think... well, someone gets shot and maybe killed.

Yeah, let&#039;s all have guns.  That&#039;ll stop this from happening!  (or at least that&#039;s what some think)  Ninnies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had time to reload, you had time to think.  If you continued to shoot thereafter, you weren&#8217;t thinking.  </p>
<p>Thinking goes with gun ownership.  If you don&#8217;t think&#8230; well, someone gets shot and maybe killed.</p>
<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s all have guns.  That&#8217;ll stop this from happening!  (or at least that&#8217;s what some think)  Ninnies.</p>
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