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	<title>Comments on: Cell phones making sense &#8211; as sensors</title>
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		<title>By: the answer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1117859</link>
		<dc:creator>the answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they are going to track when i go to a mall and what stores I go into. and why would anyone buy such info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they are going to track when i go to a mall and what stores I go into. and why would anyone buy such info?</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1116114</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iM JUST WAITING...
for them to start broadcasting in Malls, over BT..

Its private property, and as long as they dont bother a CALL, on the cell...they can ALMOST do anything they wish..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iM JUST WAITING&#8230;<br />
for them to start broadcasting in Malls, over BT..</p>
<p>Its private property, and as long as they dont bother a CALL, on the cell&#8230;they can ALMOST do anything they wish..</p>
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		<title>By: tallwookie</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1116083</link>
		<dc:creator>tallwookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only works when the device is on.  Dont like it? turn the phone off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only works when the device is on.  Dont like it? turn the phone off</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115874</link>
		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, how can anybody think that privacy rules apply to a signal you&#039;re transmitting over radio wave.  That&#039;s like screaming your secrets.  The problem with the whole privacy thing is people don&#039;t really know the difference between something that&#039;s private and something that&#039;s not.  Personally I&#039;m not getting paranoid till the government tries to stick an RFID chip under my skin, then I&#039;ll go Luddite on &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, how can anybody think that privacy rules apply to a signal you&#8217;re transmitting over radio wave.  That&#8217;s like screaming your secrets.  The problem with the whole privacy thing is people don&#8217;t really know the difference between something that&#8217;s private and something that&#8217;s not.  Personally I&#8217;m not getting paranoid till the government tries to stick an RFID chip under my skin, then I&#8217;ll go Luddite on &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: brendal</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115845</link>
		<dc:creator>brendal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a MAJOR (that guy who also owns Sotheby&#039;s and went to jail for it) mall developer. When you enter a mall, it&#039;s private property. Don&#039;t go if you don&#039;t want to be traced. It&#039;s that simple. It&#039;s not public property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a MAJOR (that guy who also owns Sotheby&#8217;s and went to jail for it) mall developer. When you enter a mall, it&#8217;s private property. Don&#8217;t go if you don&#8217;t want to be traced. It&#8217;s that simple. It&#8217;s not public property.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This method is already used as an effective and inexpensive method to watch for traffic problems on roads.

If a there is a stretch of road where cells phones normally travel 40mph suddenly stops to 5, then that means there is an accident or something blocking traffic.

By watching the movement of phones over roads over  time it becomes easy to establish patterns and to detect changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This method is already used as an effective and inexpensive method to watch for traffic problems on roads.</p>
<p>If a there is a stretch of road where cells phones normally travel 40mph suddenly stops to 5, then that means there is an accident or something blocking traffic.</p>
<p>By watching the movement of phones over roads over  time it becomes easy to establish patterns and to detect changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Improbus</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115652</link>
		<dc:creator>Improbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as no identifying information is used I have no problem with this but how likely is that?  I have to assume that a cell phone company would have no compunction about selling every scrap of data they have on you to the highest bidder or the government or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as no identifying information is used I have no problem with this but how likely is that?  I have to assume that a cell phone company would have no compunction about selling every scrap of data they have on you to the highest bidder or the government or both.</p>
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		<title>By: dusan maletic</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115469</link>
		<dc:creator>dusan maletic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#1
No, it wouldn&#039;t be helpful for any planning... As long as it is opt-in and preferably paid (someone is getting something useful from you) - it is OK to provide it as a choice. Any monitoring by default is invasion of privacy that would be exploited (for good and bad) ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1<br />
No, it wouldn&#8217;t be helpful for any planning&#8230; As long as it is opt-in and preferably paid (someone is getting something useful from you) &#8211; it is OK to provide it as a choice. Any monitoring by default is invasion of privacy that would be exploited (for good and bad) ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: julieb</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115449</link>
		<dc:creator>julieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Scarborough</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/04/30/cell-phones-making-sense-as-sensors/comment-page-1/#comment-1115442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Scarborough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I checked this sort of monitoring cell traffic was illegal - but it would be extraordinarily helpful for vehicular traffic planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I checked this sort of monitoring cell traffic was illegal &#8211; but it would be extraordinarily helpful for vehicular traffic planning.</p>
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