Comments on: Honor Killings — A Symptom Of Why We’ll Never Win In The Mideast http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:40:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1133163 bobbo Mon, 12 May 2008 21:13:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1133163 #47--Muslims--nice link in your moniker there. You actually propose to REWRITE the Koran??? Good luck with that. Let us know how things go? #47–Muslims–nice link in your moniker there.

You actually propose to REWRITE the Koran???

Good luck with that. Let us know how things go?

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1133162 bobbo Mon, 12 May 2008 21:12:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1133162 #47--Muslims--nice like in your moniker there. You actually propose to REWRITE the Koran??? Good luck with that. Let us know how things go? #47–Muslims–nice like in your moniker there.

You actually propose to REWRITE the Koran???

Good luck with that. Let us know how things go?

]]> By: Muslims Against Sharia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1133157 Muslims Against Sharia Mon, 12 May 2008 21:01:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1133157 The STOP HONORCIDE! campaign was launched on Mother's Day 2008. The goal of the campaign is to prosecute honorcides to the fullest extent of the law. We want honorcide to be classified as a hate crime and we advocate for every existing hate crime legislation to be amended to include honorcide. <a href="http://www.reformislam.org/honorcide/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reformislam.org/honorcide/</a> The STOP HONORCIDE! campaign was launched on Mother’s Day 2008. The goal of the campaign is to prosecute honorcides to the fullest extent of the law. We want honorcide to be classified as a hate crime and we advocate for every existing hate crime legislation to be amended to include honorcide.

http://www.reformislam.org/honorcide/

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132948 RBG Mon, 12 May 2008 16:49:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132948 39 Pedro >>>"I’m sure the one procreating like rabbits are going to be the most successful economically, right?" That's the thing about being too poor to own a pot to piss in. You still get one vote in a democracy. RBG 39 Pedro >>>”I’m sure the one procreating like rabbits are going to be the most successful economically, right?”

That’s the thing about being too poor to own a pot to piss in. You still get one vote in a democracy.

RBG

]]> By: Mister Mustard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132933 Mister Mustard Mon, 12 May 2008 16:40:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132933 >>It’s asinine to say that their willingness to do >>stupid, hateful things to each other makes them >>unbeatable. Well, maybe SOMEONE can beat them, but it's clearly not the amassed power of the United States military. >>This isn’t poking our nose into other people’s >>business when these horrific murders are taking >>place in Western countries. When these horrific murders take place in wester countries, the murderers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. LWOP sounds about right. However THIS horrific murder didn't take place in a western country; it took place in a country where we're poking our nose in. And we're not even DOING anything about the horrific murders; if anything, we're committing horrific murders of our own, courtesy of Dick Cheney's button men. >>It’s asinine to say that their willingness to do
>>stupid, hateful things to each other makes them
>>unbeatable.

Well, maybe SOMEONE can beat them, but it’s clearly not the amassed power of the United States military.

>>This isn’t poking our nose into other people’s
>>business when these horrific murders are taking
>>place in Western countries.

When these horrific murders take place in wester countries, the murderers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. LWOP sounds about right. However THIS horrific murder didn’t take place in a western country; it took place in a country where we’re poking our nose in. And we’re not even DOING anything about the horrific murders; if anything, we’re committing horrific murders of our own, courtesy of Dick Cheney’s button men.

]]> By: bob http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132924 bob Mon, 12 May 2008 16:30:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132924 It's asinine to say that their willingness to do stupid, hateful things to each other makes them unbeatable. The contrary is true. It just means that the percentage of them that will have to die before the others see the light is a little larger, that's all. It’s asinine to say that their willingness to do stupid, hateful things to each other makes them unbeatable. The contrary is true.

It just means that the percentage of them that will have to die before the others see the light is a little larger, that’s all.

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132859 GetSmart Mon, 12 May 2008 16:00:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132859 It's still not too late to invoke The Prime Directive. It’s still not too late to invoke The Prime Directive.

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132857 GetSmart Mon, 12 May 2008 16:00:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132857 It's still not too late to invoke The Prime Directive. It’s still not too late to invoke The Prime Directive.

]]> By: Karen Tintori http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-3/#comment-1132605 Karen Tintori Mon, 12 May 2008 13:31:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132605 This isn't poking our nose into other people's business when these horrific murders are taking place in Western countries. Standing up for human rights isn't poking our nose into other people's business. The blindfolds of multiculturalism and moral relativism are dangerous and a cop out. We are our sisters' keepers. We need to cry out when other human beings are denied their basic human rights and dignity and lives. It is never ok to act as accuser, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. Ever. Anywhere. Karen Tintori, author Unto the Daughters: The Legacy of an Honor Killing in a Sicilian-American Family www.karentintori.com This isn’t poking our nose into other people’s business when these horrific murders are taking place in Western countries. Standing up for human rights isn’t poking our nose into other people’s business.

The blindfolds of multiculturalism and moral relativism are dangerous and a cop out.

We are our sisters’ keepers. We need to cry out when other human beings are denied their basic human rights and dignity and lives.

It is never ok to act as accuser, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. Ever. Anywhere.

Karen Tintori, author
Unto the Daughters: The Legacy of an Honor Killing in a Sicilian-American Family
http://www.karentintori.com

]]> By: Personality http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132581 Personality Mon, 12 May 2008 13:04:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132581 @32 It is not a mental illness, just de-evolution, or lack or evolution. @32 It is not a mental illness, just de-evolution, or lack or evolution.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132576 pedro Mon, 12 May 2008 12:58:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132576 #32 so, you've been labeled infidel by several religions too, huh? #37 I also wonder how's that gonna work out for their respective economies. I'm sure the one procreating like rabbits are going to be the most successful economically, right? #32 so, you’ve been labeled infidel by several religions too, huh?

#37 I also wonder how’s that gonna work out for their respective economies. I’m sure the one procreating like rabbits are going to be the most successful economically, right?

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132573 pedro Mon, 12 May 2008 12:56:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132573 #32 so, you've been labeled infidel by several religions too, huh? #32 so, you’ve been labeled infidel by several religions too, huh?

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132161 RBG Mon, 12 May 2008 03:27:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132161 36. tchamp2 You need to do more than watch CNN to understand mainstream Muslims. In any case, I have to once again note the irony of the tendency for atheists to practice birth control while the many religious-types of the world continue to have big families. Wonder how this will work out power-wise? RBG 36. tchamp2 You need to do more than watch CNN to understand mainstream Muslims.

In any case, I have to once again note the irony of the tendency for atheists to practice birth control while the many religious-types of the world continue to have big families. Wonder how this will work out power-wise?

RBG

]]> By: tchamp2 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132127 tchamp2 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:42:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132127 Sadly, people who like to equate a crazy woman who says "Jesus made her do it" and then is properly punished (as she should be) with socially acceptable and approved "honor killing" are part of the problem. I'm looking at you #14/15. If you can't see the difference in the way the US treats a loon like that crazy woman, and the way the authorized government of Iraq treated this guy, then you aren't any better off than the worst of human kind. How on earth "in God we trust" is just as bad as "I'll kill my daughter for even daring to talk with a British soldier" is beyond me. As a proud Christian, I may believe sex outside of marriage is wrong, but believe it is entirely wrong to kill the girl or guy who does it. Christians' preach morality, but with forgiveness and redemption for the fallen. Sure, we believe some things are wrong, but even in a "right wing" church like mine, you'll never find anyone who would approve of killing people for anything short of murder. Sadly, the more of Islam I see, the more I fear for my families' safety in a world where those that practice it grow in numbers and power. Sadly, people who like to equate a crazy woman who says “Jesus made her do it” and then is properly punished (as she should be) with socially acceptable and approved “honor killing” are part of the problem.

I’m looking at you #14/15.

If you can’t see the difference in the way the US treats a loon like that crazy woman, and the way the authorized government of Iraq treated this guy, then you aren’t any better off than the worst of human kind.

How on earth “in God we trust” is just as bad as “I’ll kill my daughter for even daring to talk with a British soldier” is beyond me.

As a proud Christian, I may believe sex outside of marriage is wrong, but believe it is entirely wrong to kill the girl or guy who does it.

Christians’ preach morality, but with forgiveness and redemption for the fallen. Sure, we believe some things are wrong, but even in a “right wing” church like mine, you’ll never find anyone who would approve of killing people for anything short of murder.

Sadly, the more of Islam I see, the more I fear for my families’ safety in a world where those that practice it grow in numbers and power.

]]> By: Jim http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/11/honor-killings-a-symptom-of-why-well-never-win-in-the-mideast/comment-page-2/#comment-1132056 Jim Mon, 12 May 2008 01:08:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=17784#comment-1132056 >should we morally superior Americans try to change them >just because our beliefs are better and as strongly >held as theirs? Would we be willing to change if things >were reversed? What an inane question. We ARE morally superior, and this story proves it. The man killed his daughter for loving someone he doesn't approve of, AND his peers/authorities (the police) approve of it. He's not in jail nor in a hospital. This shows that their culture is far far worse than ours, and as much as I don't like losing older cultures for posterity, I think this entire culture should be removed from the earth. Until then, it would be far easier if we got rid of our oil dependency so we can let them all rot. In this case religion isn't the unlying cause, however I notice that imams do not seem to be rushing to stop these practices. Ah well, at least they don't seem to be trying to twist their books to say it's "OK" like so many do. >should we morally superior Americans try to change them
>just because our beliefs are better and as strongly
>held as theirs? Would we be willing to change if things
>were reversed?

What an inane question. We ARE morally superior, and this story proves it. The man killed his daughter for loving someone he doesn’t approve of, AND his peers/authorities (the police) approve of it. He’s not in jail nor in a hospital. This shows that their culture is far far worse than ours, and as much as I don’t like losing older cultures for posterity, I think this entire culture should be removed from the earth.

Until then, it would be far easier if we got rid of our oil dependency so we can let them all rot.

In this case religion isn’t the unlying cause, however I notice that imams do not seem to be rushing to stop these practices. Ah well, at least they don’t seem to be trying to twist their books to say it’s “OK” like so many do.

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