As far as the free fall speed crap…what do you expect? The building collapsed at the spped you would expect regardless of what the controlled demo idiots think.

Also, it was a TOTAL collapse of three buildings. This should never happen due to fire.

Curiously the World Trade Center was destroyed 70 years after the completion of the Empire State Building. The ESB was designed and constructed without the use of electronic computers. They did not exist.

But SEVEN YEARS after the destruction of the WTC most people in the nation that put men on the moon can’t think to ask the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level of the towers. It is impossible to build a skyscraper that tall and heavy without figuring that out before even digging the hole for the foundation. A building that expensive must be costed out pretty well before the investors put up the money.

So when the airliner hit the building two things happened. The plane punched a hole doing structural damage and the building was pushed off center starting an oscillation. The NIST says the south tower oscillated for FOUR MINUTES after impact and the 70th floor deflected by 12 inches even though it was 130 feet below the point of impact. It took a lot of energy to shake that building! So it is impossible to compute the amount of energy that did structural damage without computing how much shook the tower and that cannot be computed without knowing the distribution of mass.

In only two places in their entire 10,000 page report does the NIST say the distribution of weight or mass are necessary to analyze what happened to the buildings but that should be obvious from the very nature of skyscrapers. This is a physics problem so simple that high school students should have been able to figure out in a few months that airliners could not do that to buildings that size in so little time. For this to go on for SEVEN YEARS in the nation that put men on the moon is HILARIOUS. I just can’t maintain angry indignation any longer.

One would think that even the liberal arts morons in the media would be able understand the importance of the distribution of steel and concrete in a skyscraper by now.

psik

PS – I went to one of Gage’s seminars and emailed him in 2007. He is not talking about the distribution of mass in the towers and explaining its importance. With the computing power available today he should be able to compute what the distribution of steel had to be. What kind of computers did they have in the early 60s?

There is no evidence to change the narrative of 9/11. What there *is* evidence of and are needed are answers to two valid questions:

1) Why were the fighter jets kept on the ground instead of intercepting the hijacked airplanes? When Payne Stewart’s private airplane lost contact with the ground in 1999, fighter jets were scrambled within minutes, yet the US military couldn’t be bothered to send them up for three hijacked passenger jets?

2) George Putz and his cabinet *knew* there was a pending attack, their own government documents told them when, where and how. Were they merely incompetent and asleep at the wheel, or did they let it happen to justify invading other countries to steal oil, as per those in the “Project For A New American Century” (e.g. William Kristol, Richard Perle) had been advocating?

Let’s deal with the facts before going on flights of fancy.

RBG

Hey Zeus H. Christ !!! EE, you are fucking nuts !!! Over 400 posts and you haven’t made any point that hasn’t been thoroughly disputed. Give it up.

Well Mr. Catshit,

If you look atop the page here, you’ll see a split screen video of two buildings collapsing. One of them is your standard demolition job and the other is due to causes that are at present unknown… no, let’s say “Gawd only knows why the other collapsed.”

You see, nearly seven years after this event, no official explanation has been offered… but Gawd has it all figured out… the cracked foundation that only he can see, the raging fires that appear to everyone else to be small flames flickering in a few windows…

But hey, y’all believe in Gawd don’t you? Just because “The Experts Are Starting To Say The 9/11 Conspiracy Wackos May Be Right” you’ll surely not be so audacious as to question his word when he says “There’s nothing to see here folks, just move along.”

Somehow, personally, I just can’t make that leap of faith… I see nothing in that video that allows me to distinguish between the cause of the two collapses. But who an I to deny Gawd and his disciple RBG a fair opportunity to convert me to belief in the One True Story of 9/11?

RBG

What you fail to understand is you keep referring to sites that have either a lot of opinion masquerading as fact or facts that have been totally debunked.

Give us some evidence. And please, don’t say “look at this site, they have evidence”. Give facts and back that up with citations.

Don’t bother with the “… well they could have…” That is bullshit.

#444–EE==I’ll make the general apology that this thread seems about done? I can’t give you the discussion you want because I don’t have the technical expertise to get energized by doing the research that would only duplicate what RBG and Gawd has done.

Well, RBG and Gawd haven’t gone to these sites:
Pilots for 9/11 truth
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
110+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals Question Official Account of 9/11
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

But as a pilot, I would have turned over my plane to the hijackers because up until that time, that was the best way to keep the passengers safe. Today==with a trespass safe door and general agreement that planes will not be turned over, surrender is no longer an option regardless of what the hijackers have, show, or threaten. Hijack alarms came in after I stopped flying, so can’t comment on that, but on the face of it, does sound surprising.

bobbo said: Pilotless drones? Absurb.

Well okay, they have pilots but not in the plane itself. Unmanned surveillance drones are common… do you claim that it is beyond the military to adapt this technology to larger planes? Would they tell you about it if they could?

bobbo said: The plane that picked up the bin ladin family et al during the shutdown==yes that was outrageous. Money has a lot of power==especially with the Bushies. Any proper plot would have had these good folks out of the country to begin with?

Perhaps this very ‘proper’ plot had a loose end… i.e., 19 alleged hijackers… For more about Saudis and 9/11, search ‘Cozen O’Connor Saudi lawsuit’ for info about a firm suing the Saudis on behalf of insurers Chubb, Ace, Allstate and One Beacon among others. Interesting information at Wikipedia’s page on Omar al-Bayoumi.

bobbo said: The guy looked like bin ladin to me. But seriously, all terrorists do kinda look the same.

That’s just your conditioning bobbo…

bobbo said: Stand down of air defense? I’ve seen references to that. I thought the deal was they were looking in the wrong direction? Most first real situations show failure as people aren’t really ready to react to new stimuli. That explains Pearl Harbor and all the “confusion” of 911.

Again, intercepts of errant airliners were, before 9/11, routine. After 9/11 the air defense forces are once again scrambled in these situations. It’s evidently just one of those coinkydinks that US air defenses stood down on the same day that the laws of physics were suspended in New York.

bobbo said: Do you have any first person testimony that they were part of the conspiracy?

Yeah, Scott McClellan just came clean, but he was only in on the latter stages, when they started selling the wars. After we get a new administration, I’m sure we’ll see some revelations… right now, where ya gonna go?

Yeah, pretty much. Sometimes I don’t need to leap, though.

What I do know about science, from my degree in science, is that it relies on predictability and repeatability among other things. If telepathy has some of that then rush over to James Randi & pick up the easy $1 million he is offering for a demo.
http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html

EE: “…it was eventually borne out, in theory and experiment, that particles can somehow “comunicate” instantaneously at infinite distance.”

Wrong.

If you believe the guys who gave you quantum entanglement as your main telepathy ingredient, maybe you’ll also believe the rest of what they have to say:

“In quantum information theory, a no-communication theorem is a result which gives conditions under which instantaneous transfer of information between two observers is impossible. These results can be applied to understand the so-called paradoxes in quantum mechanics such as the EPR paradox or violations of local realism obtained in tests of Bell’s theorem. In these experiments, the no-communication theorem shows that failure of local realism does not lead to what could be referred to as “spooky communication at a distance” (in analogy with Einstein’s labeling of quantum entanglement as ‘spooky action at a distance’).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-communication_theorem

Try String Theory to sell your snake oil, that hasn’t been completely figured out either. But I digress…

“In North America, the United States and Canada are surrounded by an ADIZ (Air Defence Identification Zone), which is jointly administered by the civilian air traffic control authorities and the militaries of both nations, under the auspices of the North American Aerospace Defence Command or NORAD.

This ADIZ, which is almost exclusively over water, serves as a national defense boundary for aerial incursions. Any aircraft flying in these zones without authorization may be identified as a threat and treated as an enemy aircraft, potentially leading to interception by fighter aircraft.

Is this the sort of thing you were thinking about? If only they had one of those “silly” things over the rest of the USA, huh? If you know something different, do tell…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone

Maybe its just because air defence has better things to do than be bothered to track “more than 87,000 flights in the skies in the United States on any given day.” Especially since Air Traffic Control is doing this anyway.
http://www.natca.org/mediacenter/bythenumbers.msp#1

Which is not to say the air force won’t scramble in its role as Aid To Civil Power when requested by ATC.

“No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. “They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us,” says (Canadian) Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; … Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va.

And NORAD’s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. “It was like a doughnut,” Martin says. “There was no coverage in the middle.” Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn’t prepared to track them.”
http://tinyurl.com/6c6fsy

Like I said: as every pilot knows…

Re passport:
I already showed you evidence of a seemingly impossible event in which the wall of a WTC ground floor is still standing even after a total collapse of a 110 story building above it. Maybe they should make black boxes out of WTC ground floor metal.
418 RBG http://tinyurl.com/5sswbg
Now if that can happen, there’s bound to be other seemingly impossible events occurring given the complexity of the crash & collapse. The question is not one of the probability of that passport surfacing intact, but of the probability of anything useful surfacing, ie: head, finger prints, fingers, “Hi, I’m Mohammad” name tag, etc. When the jet hit, business papers floated down intact.

Cameras recorded the jets hitting the towers, there’s no strange pod on them. All the raw radar returns from the planes were recorded, no 9/11 jet landed anywhere. The passengers are not being hidden or kept in suspended animation capsules anywhere. So, I take it, now the DNA labs are in the conspiracy? And also all the families who are in possession of what remains of their loved ones?

So why in the world does there need to be another expensive public investigation when you have me, your diligent servant, pointing out the hard evidence that easily shoots down the woo, for free?

RBG