Internet Warrior Rallies Women to Support Al Qaeda While Belgium Keeps Thumb up Bunghole

Published on May 27th, 2008

Say anything against her and it is a hate crime!

Internet Warrior Rallies Women to Support Al Qaeda – NYTimes.com — More evidence to show how insane they are in the EU. This is like having Tokyo Rose during WWII living in and broadcasting from NYC. Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her.

Malika El Aroud, seen in her living room in Brussels, has become one of the most prominent Internet jihadists in Europe.

In her living room, Ms. El Aroud, a 48-year-old Belgian, wears the ordinary look of middle age: a plain black T-shirt and pants and curly brown hair. The only adornment is a pair of powder-blue slippers monogrammed in gold with the letters SEXY.

But it is on the Internet where Ms. El Aroud has distinguished herself. Writing in French under the name “Oum Obeyda,” she has transformed herself into one of the most prominent Internet jihadists in Europe.

She calls herself a female holy warrior for Al Qaeda. She insists that she does not disseminate instructions on bomb-making and has no intention of taking up arms herself. Rather, she browbeats Muslim men to go and fight and rallies women to join the cause.

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# 1 Sea Lawyer said, on May 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Yep, pretty much.

# 2 edwinrogers said, on May 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Welcome to the Information Age.

# 3 McCullough said, on May 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Holland, Belgium, France, Rollover countries, ask the Germans. So too, UK.

# 4 N74JW said, on May 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

She’s an idiot! Is that a hate crime, or just an observation?

# 5 Ah_Yea said, on May 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

I wonder if it’s appropriate to say “appeasement”.

# 6 JPV said, on May 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Gee… I guess you’ve never heard Michael Savage on the radio here in the US…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY-JWahHQs

# 7 Geoffrey said, on May 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

“Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her”

John, since you have failed to shut up ME, you must agree with ME.

True or False.

Go ahead, let’s hear your answer about shutting up Americans and your implicit agreement with the opinions of another that supposedly follows.

# 8 Mister Ketchup said, on May 27th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

I think we should all start wearing table cloths, at least on casual Friday.
Toga, toga, toga!

# 9 Geoffrey said, on May 27th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

All men are born with the inalienable right of liberty, prominent among such liberties being the liberty to speak one’s opinion, including you.

(Go ahead, share your opinion of me now. I know you wanna. It’s cool with me. Sticks and stones, bro.)

Respect and protection of the rights of all men to speak their opinion does not imply agreement with their opinion. What don’t you understand?

If this idea is foreign to you, then you really don’t know what it means to be American.

Don’t treat the US Constitution like a piece of toilet paper.

Read it

Learn it

Live it

# 10 muslim said, on May 27th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

#7. You beat me to it. : )
“… all must be agreeing with her”?
Can you even imagine how many people on the net talking about this n that? I heard there is one called “cranky gecko” or something like that.
And you don’t believe I have to know about every single muslim’s activity?! There are taxpayer supported agencies for that!
Just tell me how much do you get paid because of all these hits to your blog?

# 11 McCullough said, on May 27th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

#10. You seem to enjoy the freedom of speech in other countries, how does that work for you in your country? Or are you presently enjoying the freedoms you cannot get in your native country, so I’m confused by your statement. A Muslim woman speaking out against Islam would be treated, how?

# 12 Jägermeister said, on May 27th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

It’s good that she’s doing this online… it makes it easier for the police to track these nutters.

# 13 muslim said, on May 27th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

“You seem to enjoy the freedom of speech… ”

What freedom of speech are you even talking about?
And why its the pattern all the time to start with “you seem to enjoy the freedom,” or “you seem to enjoy our democracy..” or “you seem to enjoy our white bread..” etc. when you think its a foreigner?
Firstly, you did not give me anything, let alone freedom. You seem to enjoy the native americans’ land and african slaves’ free labor and mexicans’ cheap labor, afghani poppy, iraki oil and others. I’m sure if my or someone else’s freedom depended on you, they would be in trouble.
Secondly, like I said, its stupid to make comments like “all muslims must agree” type generalization. Its a bait to get people’s attention and I want to let him know. I don’t know that lady, I am busy working to provide for my american family, I am not sitting on government aid or food stamps or even wik (vic?) so don’t generalize the muslims or anybody.
If you are really want to know how we enjoy our lives, visit a mosque or befriend a muslim family so you can write something firsthand.
What is John Dvorak anyway, a christian? Don’t tell me he does not have a belief, because every single one got one!

# 14 McCullough said, on May 27th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

#13. How would this woman fare in speaking out in her native country? Please, enlighten me. Pretend I am just another ignorant American.

# 15 muslim said, on May 27th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

The article says she is from Belgium. So, I don’t know. I just found about her on this blog.
I don’t think you are ignorant,McCullough.

# 16 McCullough said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

But IF she were not Belgian, and wanted to speak out as a woman, say, against religious persecution, in an Islamic setting…how would that be received, again, I am just asking.

# 17 Stinker said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

#7, #9 Geoffrey…for the love of God please put down the spray can you’re sniffing from and flip to the section of the constitution that talks about giving aide and comfort to the enemey. (you can read complex and long sentences…can’t you? you’re old enough)

Then come back here and get your own words served back to you on a silver platter.

Selective reading of the document you revere so much won’t get you anywhere.

# 18 Ah_Yea said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

We need go get REAL specific with Muslim.

So, what would happen if she were in Saudi Arabia or Iran and was trying to enlist Christian crusaders to fight against Islam?

I also am curious.

Mind you, I don’t expect an answer from Muslim, because we already know…

# 19 Wretched Gnu said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

“…while Belgium keeps thumb up Bunghole.”

Brilliant, John! What do you expect Belgium to do — send the woman off to Gitmo for saying stuff?

No? Didn’t think so. Enjoying your bunghole…?

# 20 muslim said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

If a woman or man wants to speak on a particular topic he or she must have knowledge of that topic and must be backed by evidence. Once these criterias met, it does not matter if its said by a woman or men. You think women have no rights in islamic countries, I think. In islam men and women are equal, but that does not mean they are the same or interchangeable. They both have their differences, thus the requirements and responsibilities and duties. Thats where Islam looks strange to western eyes. try this link. http://www.jews-for-allah.org/women-Judaism-and-Islam/

# 21 HMeyers said, on May 27th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

A brave lady who lives in a black bag and encourages the black bag style of living.

Nice!

# 22 Wretched Gnu said, on May 27th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

The only thing more asinine than Muslim theocrats are Christian ones…

# 23 boru said, on May 27th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

Thank you Geoffrey for the humor of your posts. Do you remember “The Life of Brian” and the imperious demand of “Nail some sense into him!”

Muslim, your first couple of postings somewhat disturbed me but you started to sound in your further threads as my Muslim friends speak.

Religion is not a language we must pronounce, if you please. It is a kindness we must share.

# 24 Greg Allen said, on May 27th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

I didn’t read the article but is this woman any worse than the weapons hoarding, Right Wing militias here in the US who spew their hate and violence?

Seems like pretty-much the same thing, to me.

Is the US “insane” for letting our own potentially-dangerous wackos have freedom of speech?

# 25 Firas said, on May 27th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Did any of you read the first part of the quotes? It says that she wears shirts and jeans, which means she isn’t even a devout Muslim and does not dress in black. Its just an online persona, a very derogatory one to Muslims at that. And by the way, the whole black from head to toe thing is NOT mandatory on all women, its just the Saudi wahabists who insist on it. Modest dress is important but most Muslim clerics do not say that women should dress in what some call “ninja style” or black bag or whatever.

Anywhoo, Ive seen many requests for a Muslim to stick around for an intelligent discussion from various members. As a self proclaimed moderate and educated Muslim, I would be glad to discuss any matter which anyone is interested in.

# 26 gregallen said, on May 27th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

>> Did any of you read the first part of the quotes? It says that she wears shirts and jeans, which means she isn’t even a devout Muslim and does not dress in black.

Many devout women wear BOTH jeans and the hijab or burkah. I’ve seen it a zillion times.

Typically, they wear the jeans in a setting with people they know and then put on the hijab when they go out in public.

# 27 gregallen said, on May 27th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Reading my post, I realize that I might sound disagreeable. Sorry. I actually agree with most what you say, Firas, and appreciate a Muslim voice here. (I’m a Christian who has many good Muslim friends and often find myself speaking up for you guys!)

I might point out that the Saudi Wahabists aren’t the only fundamentalist movement in Islam, by a long measure.

# 28 Cursor_ said, on May 28th, 2008 at 12:02 am

Despite the name and the nations of origin for its members, Al Qaeda does not in any way, shape or form represent muslims.

To call Al Qaeda anything related to Islam is like saying abortion clinic bombers and the KKK represent christianity.

Al Qaeda is a secular terrorist group that hides behind religion as a shield and excuse for their very human actions. There is no difference between them and the crusaders of the middle ages that killed in the name of the same god that muslims have.

Once again it is a ruse. A scapegoat and a farce by human beings to placate their own need for blood when they cannot comprehend other ways to problem solve.

They are fanatics. And she is supporting their patently incorrect methods by even non-religious ethical people.

In her country she has the right to support them by the law of the land. I do not suppport her use of such media to lend support to Al Qaeda, but I will not say she cannot or should not say what she wants within reason of law.

Cursor_

# 29 Moneyrunner said, on May 28th, 2008 at 2:18 am

Whenever a subject like this comes up, libertarians come out of the woodwork to defend the right to this woman and others like her to say whatever they want. The sacred right to freedom of speech without which the Republic would crumble, blah, blah , blah.

I wonder if those people have any sense of history and have heard of “Lord Haw-Haw” and Tokyo Rose. Lord Haw-Haw was actually an Englishman named William Joyce who broadcast an English language program “Germany Calling.” He was captured after WW2, tried for treason and hung. Can we have a few Libertarians comment on what a travesty of justice this was since his only crime was speaking up and he had a right to free speech?

Tokyo Rose was the name given to a number of women who broadcast Japanese propaganda to American troops during WW2. One of them, Iva Ikuko Toguri D’Aquino, was tried and convicted of treason, later pardoned by Gerald Ford. Can we have a spirited defense of these women’s right to free speech?

I also note the bizarre examples of moral equivalence between Islamofascists who kill people and Presbyterians who don’t. Between Jihadist who behead people and survivalist who don’t. If they are really equally scary to you, you have serious mental and emotional problems.

# 30 lmj3325 said, on May 28th, 2008 at 3:56 am

>>> # 27 gregallen said, on May 27th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
>>> I’m a Christian who has many good Muslim friends and
>>> often find myself speaking up for you guys!

You now have two strikes against you…

# 31 Donal said, on May 28th, 2008 at 5:05 am

Seen from another point of view:

I like the bit about the husband being *away*. She probably knocked him off because he tried to shut her up.

Or he could no longer take the repeated emasculation at the hands of a blow hard wife
and decided it was either blow himself up or disappear somewhere nice and peaceful like Iraq…

# 32 eblonk said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:13 am

Woah, John. Americans have failed to shut up GWB, twice. Or the religious right. If ‘failing to shut up’ constitutes agreeing, I’ll have to quit my dayjob and I’ll have to shut up a lot of people. I so far failed to shut up Geert Wilders (our favorite Dutch anti-whatever-he-thinks-most-people-will-be-against aka populist) and I don’t care to. Doesn’t mean I agree with him. Please tell me I misread that statement.

# 33 deowll said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:23 am

1) If she were in Saudia they’d beat the crap out of her for the way she dresses and running around without a vail.

2) I loath people that encourage others to go out and get killed while they live a comfortable life.

3) This is an example of why democratic nations should think twice before letting the followers of Allah into their nations. What she wants is the freedom to preach holy war against her hosts.

# 34 the answer said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:36 am

I love how she wants to fight for these jihadists, but won’t were the sub-human burka or follow any of their laws. Do as I say not as I do

# 35 internet_guy said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:43 am

John – I found your link on the popular tweeters and was going to add you to my tweeter …but reading

“Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her”

just makes it obvious you’re no enlightened blogger/reporter. Your loss.

# 36 eblonk said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:49 am

“This is an example of why democratic nations should think twice before letting the followers of Allah into their nations.”

Europe has made the mistake of letting followers of Jesus in and the conversion has caused a lot of death. Just check history on how Europe was brought under Christian rule, especially but not exclusively Charlemagne.
Yes, it’s a long time ago but as Europe is still basically Christian, the consequences are still there, so the argument is valid and so is the example. Europe has not been itself the last 1500 years, having been turned into the playground of the dumb (and then a few of us crossed the Atlantic, bad idea).
Oh, and if you argued that it turned out well, don’t worry because eventually the supposed Islamisation of Europe will come and go just like the Christianisation. Here we go again.

# 37 Ah_Yea said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:53 am

Muslim, I respect that you are going to defend your point of view, and I highly suggest you keep doing that. It is respectable to stand up for yourself, and this blog certainly needs a Muslim defender.

After all, this blog is about debate and it’s hard to debate unless all sides are represented.

Having said that, my question in #18 is still entirely unanswered.

“So, what would happen if she were in Saudi Arabia or Iran and was trying to enlist Christian crusaders to fight against Islam?”

# 38 Yves said, on May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 am

John,

What the bunghole were you thinking when you put this in you daily news overview? An American blaming a country as small as ours for what? In the article they mention police is keeping an eye on her and she is sure they’re monitoring her every move on the net. What, you want them to arrest her, throw her in jail without sufficient proof and have her be free in 2 days. She’ll just use that later on when they might have enough proof, as a counter measure. Have you ever (or the NJT for that matter) printed a story about AlQaeda or other terrorists that were arrested, organizations uncovered, etc. by Belgian police? I didn’t think so …

I can’t get my head around stuff like this, it’s textbook hypocriticism. It’s got something to do with AlQaeda, and americans jump on this like “look what those assholes are doing to AlQaeda militants, while we’ve had to suffer all those losses … why don’t they do as we do?”
Don’t get me wrong 9/11 was absolutely terrible (even i lost an uncle who was a tourist in NY at the time), but so is the the war on terror!

It’s stuff like this that shows why even those who oppose to GWB, actually fully support his ways of thinking and the actions brought forth by that. To use your own words against you “Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her” Change “Local Muslims” to “Americans” and the last “her” by “GWB” and we’ve got a tie.

Don’t get me wrong terrorist organizations should be annihilated, but look at what’s happening in your own country before passing judgement on others please. It’s just so silly for a paper like the NJT to run such a story while there probably are 100’s of known militants in the US or all over the world of which authorities know perfectly well what they are doing.

And for a literate person like yourself it would be nice to refer to European countries by their name, not just the generic “EU”. It’s bad enough that most of you don’t even know the EU is not a country, and Brussels is a capital, not a country.

I hadn’t expected something like this from you, to be honest.

Sincerely,
Yves from Belgium

# 39 MikeN said, on May 28th, 2008 at 8:03 am

John, why the double standard on free speech?

# 40 Sea Lawyer said, on May 28th, 2008 at 8:46 am

#38, Freedom of speech is referring to freedom from government infringement, not a community policing its own.

# 41 MikeN said, on May 28th, 2008 at 9:29 am

#39,
More evidence to show how insane they are in the EU. This is like having Tokyo Rose during WWII living in and broadcasting from NYC.

Sounds like he is calling for deportation or imprisonment. When George Bush does it, it’s bashed, but for Europe it’s OK?

# 42 Mr. Catshit said, on May 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

#29, Moneyrunner,

I wonder if those people have any sense of history and have heard of “Lord Haw-Haw” and Tokyo Rose.

Bad analogy. They were active participants against the Allies in a declared war. Their conduct was treasonous. El Aroud is not living in, nor is she actively campaigning against, a specific country during wartime. Maybe that difference is too subtle for you, but for any civil libertarian it is an important distinction.

The freedom Belgium gives her to speak her mind while the mighty nimrods around here suggest otherwise is why the US ranks so much lower on the Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings. Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms.

# 43 whit said, on May 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

>why the US ranks so much lower on the Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings. Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms.

Didn’t we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence)

May 28, 1940 in History
Belgium surrenders to Germany,

# 44 bobsyeruncle said, on May 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I can’t believe the discussion has deteriorated into one about “free speech” and no one has addressed the REAL issue.

“What color panties is she wearing?”

# 45 no religion said, on May 28th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

So? What about nutcases like Hagee, and Falwell (whom I hope arrived in the hell he believed in) who call for destruction and death of other religions and regions? Falwell and the Westboro Baptist Church wraiths even reveled in the idea of the US itself being destroyed! I don’t see the US gov’t doing anything about them.

This looks like totally overblown xenophobia, the kind for which DU and the US in general is becoming very well-known.

# 46 sai Kai Lee said, on May 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Keep in mind that I am not talking about her specifically, but people like that really make me sick.

SKL

# 47 muslim said, on May 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

Ah_Yeah.
Thanks for the invite. I had few of reasons for not being too active on this blog:
1. Some of my lengthy replies did not get posted in the past-thats very discouraging.
2. You implied “you believe what you are programmed to believe” : )
3. I don’t get to sit in front of my computer as my profession is far from it. May be when I get iphone I will. (Pedro, have you trademarked the word Oy!phone already?)
Finally to answer your question: I have no idea what they would do to her. And you would not know what would happen to her in either country if she did that. We can assume and imagine and believe something but it is not for sure, isn’t it? I have not been to any of those countries. You can only make an assumption based on what you heard only.
And don’t you think there are people already doing what you described-calling for christian crusades whilst living in muslim countries? I am not saying there are, because I do not know, but just because we don’t read about them on some blog does not mean there aren’t. I like #38’s explanation in this regard.
Boru-#23. You say you have muslim friends, thats nice. But do they explain to you why they are muslim? If they have not invited you to Islam, they do not think you are their true friend and they are not doing you any good.

Muslim women can wear anything they want at home; Gucci, Versace, Walmart, JCPenny, Gap, Dolce&Gabbana,Express, Custom Hand sewn, arabic, japanese, korean, indian, somalian, african, american, silk, gold, jeans, corduroy, thick, thin, long, short, tight, loose, red, white, black, fur, leather, feather, cheap or expensive… Only requirement is when you go out and there are people who are not your immediate family -cover your beauty.
Thanks for listening.

# 48 Mr. Gawd Almighty said, on May 29th, 2008 at 7:33 am

#43, Witless,

Didn’t we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence)

May 28, 1940 in History
Belgium surrenders to Germany,

Hmmm, Belgium is neutral and has a population of around 5 million. Germany is aggressive, prepared for war, and has a population of 60 million people. Germany attacks Belgium and quickly overwhelms them.

OK, so what is your point?

# 49 Ultraslug said, on May 29th, 2008 at 9:37 am

Can anyone (“muslim”?) point me to some anti-al Qaeda web sites that denounce it and its supporters? A trite dismissal is not enough. I’m looking for a sound, theological rebuttal of the Al Qaeda exegesis, based on Islamic tradition and scholarship.

I believe we’ve had only one major Muslim group (in Spain?) pronounce takfir on bin Laden(formally declare he’s not a Muslim). It makes you wonder if what he’s doing and saying is really un-Islamic.

# 50 Rick Cain said, on May 29th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Islam is incompatible with western values. That is the problem in a nutshell.

# 51 Mr. Catshit said, on May 30th, 2008 at 6:48 am

#49, Ultra,

Can anyone point out a Christian site where the right wing nut evangelical extreme nut jobs get called out?

Religion is extremely limited in bettering society. Extreme religion is a detriment.

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