Comments on: Internet Warrior Rallies Women to Support Al Qaeda While Belgium Keeps Thumb up Bunghole http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mr. Catshit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1166157 Mr. Catshit Fri, 30 May 2008 14:48:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1166157 #49, Ultra, Can anyone point out a Christian site where the right wing nut evangelical extreme nut jobs get called out? Religion is extremely limited in bettering society. Extreme religion is a detriment. #49, Ultra,

Can anyone point out a Christian site where the right wing nut evangelical extreme nut jobs get called out?

Religion is extremely limited in bettering society. Extreme religion is a detriment.

]]> By: Rick Cain http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1165328 Rick Cain Fri, 30 May 2008 05:48:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1165328 Islam is incompatible with western values. That is the problem in a nutshell. Islam is incompatible with western values. That is the problem in a nutshell.

]]> By: Ultraslug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1164203 Ultraslug Thu, 29 May 2008 17:37:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1164203 Can anyone ("muslim"?) point me to some anti-al Qaeda web sites that denounce it and its supporters? A trite dismissal is not enough. I'm looking for a sound, theological rebuttal of the Al Qaeda exegesis, based on Islamic tradition and scholarship. I believe we've had only one major Muslim group (in Spain?) pronounce takfir on bin Laden(formally declare he's not a Muslim). It makes you wonder if what he's doing and saying is really un-Islamic. Can anyone (“muslim”?) point me to some anti-al Qaeda web sites that denounce it and its supporters? A trite dismissal is not enough. I’m looking for a sound, theological rebuttal of the Al Qaeda exegesis, based on Islamic tradition and scholarship.

I believe we’ve had only one major Muslim group (in Spain?) pronounce takfir on bin Laden(formally declare he’s not a Muslim). It makes you wonder if what he’s doing and saying is really un-Islamic.

]]> By: Mr. Gawd Almighty http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1163995 Mr. Gawd Almighty Thu, 29 May 2008 15:33:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1163995 #43, Witless, <i>Didn’t we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence) May 28, 1940 in History Belgium surrenders to Germany, </i> Hmmm, Belgium is neutral and has a population of around 5 million. Germany is aggressive, prepared for war, and has a population of 60 million people. Germany attacks Belgium and quickly overwhelms them. OK, so what is your point? #43, Witless,

Didn’t we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence)

May 28, 1940 in History
Belgium surrenders to Germany,

Hmmm, Belgium is neutral and has a population of around 5 million. Germany is aggressive, prepared for war, and has a population of 60 million people. Germany attacks Belgium and quickly overwhelms them.

OK, so what is your point?

]]> By: muslim http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162975 muslim Thu, 29 May 2008 02:05:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162975 Ah_Yeah. Thanks for the invite. I had few of reasons for not being too active on this blog: 1. Some of my lengthy replies did not get posted in the past-thats very discouraging. 2. You implied "you believe what you are programmed to believe" : ) 3. I don't get to sit in front of my computer as my profession is far from it. May be when I get iphone I will. (Pedro, have you trademarked the word Oy!phone already?) Finally to answer your question: I have no idea what they would do to her. And you would not know what would happen to her in either country if she did that. We can assume and imagine and believe something but it is not for sure, isn't it? I have not been to any of those countries. You can only make an assumption based on what you heard only. And don't you think there are people already doing what you described-calling for christian crusades whilst living in muslim countries? I am not saying there are, because I do not know, but just because we don't read about them on some blog does not mean there aren't. I like #38's explanation in this regard. Boru-#23. You say you have muslim friends, thats nice. But do they explain to you why they are muslim? If they have not invited you to Islam, they do not think you are their true friend and they are not doing you any good. Muslim women can wear anything they want at home; Gucci, Versace, Walmart, JCPenny, Gap, Dolce&Gabbana,Express, Custom Hand sewn, arabic, japanese, korean, indian, somalian, african, american, silk, gold, jeans, corduroy, thick, thin, long, short, tight, loose, red, white, black, fur, leather, feather, cheap or expensive... Only requirement is when you go out and there are people who are not your immediate family -cover your beauty. Thanks for listening. Ah_Yeah.
Thanks for the invite. I had few of reasons for not being too active on this blog:
1. Some of my lengthy replies did not get posted in the past-thats very discouraging.
2. You implied “you believe what you are programmed to believe” : )
3. I don’t get to sit in front of my computer as my profession is far from it. May be when I get iphone I will. (Pedro, have you trademarked the word Oy!phone already?)
Finally to answer your question: I have no idea what they would do to her. And you would not know what would happen to her in either country if she did that. We can assume and imagine and believe something but it is not for sure, isn’t it? I have not been to any of those countries. You can only make an assumption based on what you heard only.
And don’t you think there are people already doing what you described-calling for christian crusades whilst living in muslim countries? I am not saying there are, because I do not know, but just because we don’t read about them on some blog does not mean there aren’t. I like #38′s explanation in this regard.
Boru-#23. You say you have muslim friends, thats nice. But do they explain to you why they are muslim? If they have not invited you to Islam, they do not think you are their true friend and they are not doing you any good.

Muslim women can wear anything they want at home; Gucci, Versace, Walmart, JCPenny, Gap, Dolce&Gabbana,Express, Custom Hand sewn, arabic, japanese, korean, indian, somalian, african, american, silk, gold, jeans, corduroy, thick, thin, long, short, tight, loose, red, white, black, fur, leather, feather, cheap or expensive… Only requirement is when you go out and there are people who are not your immediate family -cover your beauty.
Thanks for listening.

]]> By: sai Kai Lee http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162935 sai Kai Lee Thu, 29 May 2008 01:42:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162935 Keep in mind that I am not talking about her specifically, but people like that really make me sick. SKL Keep in mind that I am not talking about her specifically, but people like that really make me sick.

SKL

]]> By: no religion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162865 no religion Thu, 29 May 2008 00:27:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162865 So? What about nutcases like Hagee, and Falwell (whom I hope arrived in the hell he believed in) who call for destruction and death of other religions and regions? Falwell and the Westboro Baptist Church wraiths even reveled in the idea of the US itself being destroyed! I don't see the US gov't doing anything about them. This looks like totally overblown xenophobia, the kind for which DU and the US in general is becoming very well-known. So? What about nutcases like Hagee, and Falwell (whom I hope arrived in the hell he believed in) who call for destruction and death of other religions and regions? Falwell and the Westboro Baptist Church wraiths even reveled in the idea of the US itself being destroyed! I don’t see the US gov’t doing anything about them.

This looks like totally overblown xenophobia, the kind for which DU and the US in general is becoming very well-known.

]]> By: bobsyeruncle http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162817 bobsyeruncle Wed, 28 May 2008 23:57:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162817 I can't believe the discussion has deteriorated into one about "free speech" and no one has addressed the REAL issue. "What color panties is she wearing?" I can’t believe the discussion has deteriorated into one about “free speech” and no one has addressed the REAL issue.

“What color panties is she wearing?”

]]> By: whit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162796 whit Wed, 28 May 2008 23:38:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162796 >why the US ranks so much lower on the Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings. Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms. Didn't we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence) May 28, 1940 in History Belgium surrenders to Germany, >why the US ranks so much lower on the Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings. Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms.

Didn’t we all envy Belgium in 1940 (oh what a coincidence)

May 28, 1940 in History
Belgium surrenders to Germany,

]]> By: Mr. Catshit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162710 Mr. Catshit Wed, 28 May 2008 22:14:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162710 #29, Moneyrunner, <i>I wonder if those people have any sense of history and have heard of “Lord Haw-Haw” and Tokyo Rose. </i> Bad analogy. They were active participants against the Allies in a declared war. Their conduct was treasonous. El Aroud is not living in, nor is she actively campaigning against, a specific country during wartime. Maybe that difference is too subtle for you, but for any civil libertarian it is an important distinction. The freedom Belgium gives her to speak her mind while the mighty nimrods around here suggest otherwise is why the US ranks so much lower on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index#Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index_Ranking" rel="nofollow">Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings.</a> Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms. #29, Moneyrunner,

I wonder if those people have any sense of history and have heard of “Lord Haw-Haw” and Tokyo Rose.

Bad analogy. They were active participants against the Allies in a declared war. Their conduct was treasonous. El Aroud is not living in, nor is she actively campaigning against, a specific country during wartime. Maybe that difference is too subtle for you, but for any civil libertarian it is an important distinction.

The freedom Belgium gives her to speak her mind while the mighty nimrods around here suggest otherwise is why the US ranks so much lower on the Worldwide Press Freedom Rankings. Belgium ranks at #5 while the US is at #48. Maybe we should envy Belgium and its freedoms.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-3/#comment-1162334 MikeN Wed, 28 May 2008 17:29:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162334 #39, More evidence to show how insane they are in the EU. This is like having Tokyo Rose during WWII living in and broadcasting from NYC. Sounds like he is calling for deportation or imprisonment. When George Bush does it, it's bashed, but for Europe it's OK? #39,
More evidence to show how insane they are in the EU. This is like having Tokyo Rose during WWII living in and broadcasting from NYC.

Sounds like he is calling for deportation or imprisonment. When George Bush does it, it’s bashed, but for Europe it’s OK?

]]> By: Sea Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-2/#comment-1162226 Sea Lawyer Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162226 #38, Freedom of speech is referring to freedom from government infringement, not a community policing its own. #38, Freedom of speech is referring to freedom from government infringement, not a community policing its own.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-2/#comment-1162170 MikeN Wed, 28 May 2008 16:03:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162170 John, why the double standard on free speech? John, why the double standard on free speech?

]]> By: Yves http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-2/#comment-1162146 Yves Wed, 28 May 2008 15:45:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162146 John, What the bunghole were you thinking when you put this in you daily news overview? An American blaming a country as small as ours for what? In the article they mention police is keeping an eye on her and she is sure they're monitoring her every move on the net. What, you want them to arrest her, throw her in jail without sufficient proof and have her be free in 2 days. She'll just use that later on when they might have enough proof, as a counter measure. Have you ever (or the NJT for that matter) printed a story about AlQaeda or other terrorists that were arrested, organizations uncovered, etc. by Belgian police? I didn't think so ... I can't get my head around stuff like this, it's textbook hypocriticism. It's got something to do with AlQaeda, and americans jump on this like "look what those assholes are doing to AlQaeda militants, while we've had to suffer all those losses ... why don't they do as we do?" Don't get me wrong 9/11 was absolutely terrible (even i lost an uncle who was a tourist in NY at the time), but so is the the war on terror! It's stuff like this that shows why even those who oppose to GWB, actually fully support his ways of thinking and the actions brought forth by that. To use your own words against you "Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her" Change "Local Muslims" to "Americans" and the last "her" by "GWB" and we've got a tie. Don't get me wrong terrorist organizations should be annihilated, but look at what's happening in your own country before passing judgement on others please. It's just so silly for a paper like the NJT to run such a story while there probably are 100's of known militants in the US or all over the world of which authorities know perfectly well what they are doing. And for a literate person like yourself it would be nice to refer to European countries by their name, not just the generic "EU". It's bad enough that most of you don't even know the EU is not a country, and Brussels is a capital, not a country. I hadn't expected something like this from you, to be honest. Sincerely, Yves from Belgium John,

What the bunghole were you thinking when you put this in you daily news overview? An American blaming a country as small as ours for what? In the article they mention police is keeping an eye on her and she is sure they’re monitoring her every move on the net. What, you want them to arrest her, throw her in jail without sufficient proof and have her be free in 2 days. She’ll just use that later on when they might have enough proof, as a counter measure. Have you ever (or the NJT for that matter) printed a story about AlQaeda or other terrorists that were arrested, organizations uncovered, etc. by Belgian police? I didn’t think so …

I can’t get my head around stuff like this, it’s textbook hypocriticism. It’s got something to do with AlQaeda, and americans jump on this like “look what those assholes are doing to AlQaeda militants, while we’ve had to suffer all those losses … why don’t they do as we do?”
Don’t get me wrong 9/11 was absolutely terrible (even i lost an uncle who was a tourist in NY at the time), but so is the the war on terror!

It’s stuff like this that shows why even those who oppose to GWB, actually fully support his ways of thinking and the actions brought forth by that. To use your own words against you “Since the local Muslims have failed to shut up this idiot, they must all be agreeing with her” Change “Local Muslims” to “Americans” and the last “her” by “GWB” and we’ve got a tie.

Don’t get me wrong terrorist organizations should be annihilated, but look at what’s happening in your own country before passing judgement on others please. It’s just so silly for a paper like the NJT to run such a story while there probably are 100′s of known militants in the US or all over the world of which authorities know perfectly well what they are doing.

And for a literate person like yourself it would be nice to refer to European countries by their name, not just the generic “EU”. It’s bad enough that most of you don’t even know the EU is not a country, and Brussels is a capital, not a country.

I hadn’t expected something like this from you, to be honest.

Sincerely,
Yves from Belgium

]]> By: Ah_Yea http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/27/internet-warrior-rallies-women-to-support-al-qaeda-while-belgium-keeps-thumb-up-bunghole/comment-page-2/#comment-1162053 Ah_Yea Wed, 28 May 2008 14:53:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=18106#comment-1162053 Muslim, I respect that you are going to defend your point of view, and I highly suggest you keep doing that. It is respectable to stand up for yourself, and this blog certainly needs a Muslim defender. After all, this blog is about debate and it's hard to debate unless all sides are represented. Having said that, my question in #18 is still entirely unanswered. "So, what would happen if she were in Saudi Arabia or Iran and was trying to enlist Christian crusaders to fight against Islam?" Muslim, I respect that you are going to defend your point of view, and I highly suggest you keep doing that. It is respectable to stand up for yourself, and this blog certainly needs a Muslim defender.

After all, this blog is about debate and it’s hard to debate unless all sides are represented.

Having said that, my question in #18 is still entirely unanswered.

“So, what would happen if she were in Saudi Arabia or Iran and was trying to enlist Christian crusaders to fight against Islam?”

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