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	<title>Comments on: Did Obama Out-campaign Hillary or Simply Outsmart Her?</title>
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		<title>By: B. Rackus</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/31/did-obama-out-campaign-hillary-or-simply-out-smart-her/comment-page-2/#comment-1315028</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Rackus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: B. Rackus</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Rackus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Hussein Obama is a loser.  He is too young and inexperienced for the presidency.  Sen. John McCain is the obvious choice in this election.  Obama is way too inconsistent.  He changes his views to match those of the public, whatever they may be.  Apart from all that, he&#039;s a Democrat.  Democrats are evil and should not be allowed to live.  Vote Republican.  Barack Obama is the AntiChrist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Hussein Obama is a loser.  He is too young and inexperienced for the presidency.  Sen. John McCain is the obvious choice in this election.  Obama is way too inconsistent.  He changes his views to match those of the public, whatever they may be.  Apart from all that, he&#8217;s a Democrat.  Democrats are evil and should not be allowed to live.  Vote Republican.  Barack Obama is the AntiChrist.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice switch.  But you&#039;re  the one who claims to believe Obama never heard any of this.  10 years ago  you were probably telling people Monica was a deranged stalker and Bill never touched her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice switch.  But you&#8217;re  the one who claims to believe Obama never heard any of this.  10 years ago  you were probably telling people Monica was a deranged stalker and Bill never touched her.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/31/did-obama-out-campaign-hillary-or-simply-out-smart-her/comment-page-2/#comment-1169235</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;You have to be blind or really stupid to 
&gt;&gt;believe obama was never present when these 
&gt;&gt;comments were made.

Of for Christ&#039;s sake.  If some intemperate remarks by the pastor at some guy&#039;s church is the most damning evidence you can come up with against Obama, that guy is in like Flint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;You have to be blind or really stupid to<br />
&gt;&gt;believe obama was never present when these<br />
&gt;&gt;comments were made.</p>
<p>Of for Christ&#8217;s sake.  If some intemperate remarks by the pastor at some guy&#8217;s church is the most damning evidence you can come up with against Obama, that guy is in like Flint.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that neither Obama outcampaigned nor outsmarted Clinton.

The reason is that the American voter (in this case those in the Dem. Party) has dumbed down.

Enough evidences of this not only in these internal elections, but also who can, with a little bit of brain, not only elected but even worse re-elect GWB????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that neither Obama outcampaigned nor outsmarted Clinton.</p>
<p>The reason is that the American voter (in this case those in the Dem. Party) has dumbed down.</p>
<p>Enough evidences of this not only in these internal elections, but also who can, with a little bit of brain, not only elected but even worse re-elect GWB????</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie the hun</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/31/did-obama-out-campaign-hillary-or-simply-out-smart-her/comment-page-1/#comment-1169014</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie the hun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which ones of Obama’s “friends” have you “seen”? The wacky retired pastor, who never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church, and whom Obama has now disavowed?

If you want to see somebody with skanky, sleazy friends, just look to the current Chimperor-in-Chief. Holy shit!!

You have to be blind or really stupid to believe obama was never present when these comments were made.
&quot;Chimperor-in-Chief&quot; you will call Obama that to I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which ones of Obama’s “friends” have you “seen”? The wacky retired pastor, who never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church, and whom Obama has now disavowed?</p>
<p>If you want to see somebody with skanky, sleazy friends, just look to the current Chimperor-in-Chief. Holy shit!!</p>
<p>You have to be blind or really stupid to believe obama was never present when these comments were made.<br />
&#8220;Chimperor-in-Chief&#8221; you will call Obama that to I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America is still not ready for a female president, period.  Time will tell if America is ready for a black president, even if he&#039;s whiter than Colin Powell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is still not ready for a female president, period.  Time will tell if America is ready for a black president, even if he&#8217;s whiter than Colin Powell.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17--Mike==don&#039;t you think most thinking people who are also religious make a huge disconnect between church and real life?

Incongruously, it does seem Obama decided to run for Presnet late in the day for him not to have cleaned up all these negative contacts AND he had to be hit in the head 3-4 times to finally give them up.  I think Obama got a good mouthfull of the coolaid, and if my own life is any guide, he&#039;s probably pretty well pussy-whipped into the religious thing as well==gotta keep the wifey happy.

Still--like Carl Rove and Cheney, it will be interesting to find out who the real power is behind Obama.  I only hope the expertise and overall message they have chosen continues to be demonstrated after he gets elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17&#8211;Mike==don&#8217;t you think most thinking people who are also religious make a huge disconnect between church and real life?</p>
<p>Incongruously, it does seem Obama decided to run for Presnet late in the day for him not to have cleaned up all these negative contacts AND he had to be hit in the head 3-4 times to finally give them up.  I think Obama got a good mouthfull of the coolaid, and if my own life is any guide, he&#8217;s probably pretty well pussy-whipped into the religious thing as well==gotta keep the wifey happy.</p>
<p>Still&#8211;like Carl Rove and Cheney, it will be interesting to find out who the real power is behind Obama.  I only hope the expertise and overall message they have chosen continues to be demonstrated after he gets elected.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church

Yeah right.  He was just an ordinary black pastor, but when Obama wasn&#039;t there, it was time to hate Whitey.

Even Obama doesn&#039;t claim that.

The reality is Obama wanted to be close to this church for his own political reasons, and he doesn&#039;t consider what this guy said to be wrong.

Even Oprah dropped this church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church</p>
<p>Yeah right.  He was just an ordinary black pastor, but when Obama wasn&#8217;t there, it was time to hate Whitey.</p>
<p>Even Obama doesn&#8217;t claim that.</p>
<p>The reality is Obama wanted to be close to this church for his own political reasons, and he doesn&#8217;t consider what this guy said to be wrong.</p>
<p>Even Oprah dropped this church.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/05/31/did-obama-out-campaign-hillary-or-simply-out-smart-her/comment-page-1/#comment-1168555</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;I don’t know about you but I’ve seen his 
&gt;&gt;friends and they have made it extremely clear 
&gt;&gt;where they stand.

Is FUD the best you have to offer, Doc?  Which ones of Obama&#039;s &quot;friends&quot; have you &quot;seen&quot;?  The wacky retired pastor, who never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church, and whom Obama has now disavowed?

If you want to see somebody with skanky, sleazy friends, just look to the current Chimperor-in-Chief.  Holy shit!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I don’t know about you but I’ve seen his<br />
&gt;&gt;friends and they have made it extremely clear<br />
&gt;&gt;where they stand.</p>
<p>Is FUD the best you have to offer, Doc?  Which ones of Obama&#8217;s &#8220;friends&#8221; have you &#8220;seen&#8221;?  The wacky retired pastor, who never said any of his wacky shit while Obama was attending the church, and whom Obama has now disavowed?</p>
<p>If you want to see somebody with skanky, sleazy friends, just look to the current Chimperor-in-Chief.  Holy shit!!</p>
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		<title>By: gregallen</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>faustus,

No offense but where are you getting your political information?

Hillary has had the traditional big Dem donors behind her.

Obama came at it from a very different direstion with MANY MORE smaller donors... very few from the &quot;dem-moneymachine&#039; as you call it. 

Here is one of MANY links describing pretty much the opposite of what you say:
http://tinyurl.com/3kl596

And as for her losing because she&#039;s a woman &quot;period&quot; ... you have any sort of polling data or even a decent link which makes you think that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>faustus,</p>
<p>No offense but where are you getting your political information?</p>
<p>Hillary has had the traditional big Dem donors behind her.</p>
<p>Obama came at it from a very different direstion with MANY MORE smaller donors&#8230; very few from the &#8220;dem-moneymachine&#8217; as you call it. </p>
<p>Here is one of MANY links describing pretty much the opposite of what you say:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3kl596" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/3kl596' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/3kl596</a></p>
<p>And as for her losing because she&#8217;s a woman &#8220;period&#8221; &#8230; you have any sort of polling data or even a decent link which makes you think that?</p>
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		<title>By: faustus</title>
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		<dc:creator>faustus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hillary is losing because she is a woman. period. we are fighting a war in iraq for oil. period. why is the true so hard to say for so many.... obama has the demo-moneymachine behind him now and hillary now doesn&#039;t. period. see how easy that is. the dems will probably put edwards in with obama to try to carry the south but leave it to the democrats they will make another close race out of what should have been a runaway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hillary is losing because she is a woman. period. we are fighting a war in iraq for oil. period. why is the true so hard to say for so many&#8230;. obama has the demo-moneymachine behind him now and hillary now doesn&#8217;t. period. see how easy that is. the dems will probably put edwards in with obama to try to carry the south but leave it to the democrats they will make another close race out of what should have been a runaway.</p>
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		<title>By: qsabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>qsabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 you nailed it.   This will be the first election in my 72 years that I will sit out. I do not want to say I helped elect that person a year from now, no matter who wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 you nailed it.   This will be the first election in my 72 years that I will sit out. I do not want to say I helped elect that person a year from now, no matter who wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put Obama has the for now advantage of being a relative unknown.  Lets be honest both Hillary and McCain have pretty long records.  You tend to know where they stand, and what they are about.  Obama, does not.

In the short term, that means he can say things like &quot;hope and change&quot;, without really telling anyone what that &quot;hope and change&quot; is.  Its really a great racket when you get down to it, but I am not sure its going to be able to hold up all the way into November.  The Primary debates were by and large between people that share the same beliefs, not only that the very people that Clinton needed to win, were the same people that are fainting at Obama ralleys.  As dems have showed in the past, its hard to argue with someone who is that emotional.

The General election will be different.  Both sides will need to appeal to more than their base, and both sides will be going after that middle 10% that really wins the election, and both sides will be coming at it from completely different point of view.  And Obama will not be able to count on the fainting masses to propel him though it.  He is going to have to actually argue the issues, take positions that are going to upset one group or the other, something that he has shown in the past thats he&#039;s not very good at.

No matter what it should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put Obama has the for now advantage of being a relative unknown.  Lets be honest both Hillary and McCain have pretty long records.  You tend to know where they stand, and what they are about.  Obama, does not.</p>
<p>In the short term, that means he can say things like &#8220;hope and change&#8221;, without really telling anyone what that &#8220;hope and change&#8221; is.  Its really a great racket when you get down to it, but I am not sure its going to be able to hold up all the way into November.  The Primary debates were by and large between people that share the same beliefs, not only that the very people that Clinton needed to win, were the same people that are fainting at Obama ralleys.  As dems have showed in the past, its hard to argue with someone who is that emotional.</p>
<p>The General election will be different.  Both sides will need to appeal to more than their base, and both sides will be going after that middle 10% that really wins the election, and both sides will be coming at it from completely different point of view.  And Obama will not be able to count on the fainting masses to propel him though it.  He is going to have to actually argue the issues, take positions that are going to upset one group or the other, something that he has shown in the past thats he&#8217;s not very good at.</p>
<p>No matter what it should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Raster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with an Obama win, they have been neck-and-neck for the entire race.

Is it too much to suggest they both ran great campaigns, but only one could be the nominee?

And after this is done, lest we forget, nobody has won anything.  It really is all about winning against McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with an Obama win, they have been neck-and-neck for the entire race.</p>
<p>Is it too much to suggest they both ran great campaigns, but only one could be the nominee?</p>
<p>And after this is done, lest we forget, nobody has won anything.  It really is all about winning against McCain.</p>
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