Even before the officers approached the car she had her hands up and waited to get handcuffed.

The officers did absolutely the right thing in this situation!

I don’t see how any of you who disagree can formulate any opinion about how the officers acted improperly if you never underwent training as a police officer! Furthermore, it may seem easy to condemn them, but I invite you to put on a uniform and do the job for a good week or two then formulate your Opinion! I personally have been on patrol in a very rough neighborhood in which I was disrespected and cursed out while in uniform, but when I changed into my street clothes to go home after a shift, and stopped at the same store on the post I walked, that same guy tried to sell me Weed!

Point is put on a uniform and see just how hostile people can become, they hate what you represent, which is order & control they don’t see a person! And just because we get paid to do this Unforgiving Job, doesn’t mean that we have to kiss the public’s ass and not show a sign of force in some way! That is our deterrent, and it keeps us and the public safe. Because statistics of Criminals who’ve Murdered Officers show that they felt that they could “Take” the officer because the officer looked Weak and employed Poor Tactics and Posture!

So before you monday morning quarterback anyone, at least be qualified to do so!

(p.s. this woman had a good reason for not stopping, I would’ve warned her and not issued a summons, but what If that wasn’t the reason she didn’t stop? And she had just robbed a bank or just killed someone, women shoot guns too! The next time, that could very well be the case!)

Might want to check your facts first. No state requires a warrant to search a car because federal law says no warrant is needed and federal law overrides state law. If an officer has probable cause to search a vehicle, then it can be searched.(period) No consent or warrant is ever required. Don’t believe it? Look up US v Carroll, Federal case law from…..1920 something. NY v Belton. There’s plenty of others. There’s also plenty of other times a car can be searched without consent or a warrant. Incident to a lawful arrest (which is more what NY v Belton is about), as part of an impound inventory, etc.

“If the cop had probable cause, he wouldn’t be asking for your consent.” All I can say to that is bullshit. I’ve seen plenty of guys ask when they didn’t need permission. Part of it is just being nice, most civilized people are raised from day 1 to at least act nice. Part of it is just to judge their reaction. Especially if they’re still in the car. As soon as you start talking about searching alot of people will without even thinking about it glance over to where whatever they’re hiding is. Makes the subsequent search go a lot faster.

Might want to check your facts first. No state requires a warrant to search a car because federal law says no warrant is needed and federal law overrides state law. If an officer has probable cause to search a vehicle, then it can be searched.(period) No consent or warrant is ever required. Don’t believe it? Look up US v Carroll, Federal case law from…..1920 something. NY v Belton. There’s plenty of others. There’s also plenty of other times a car can be searched without consent or a warrant. Incident to a lawful arrest (which is more what NY v Belton is about), as part of an impound inventory, etc.

Oh, do tell us what the legal reasons for handcuffing someone are. This woman did not stop, we see her reasons. If the police are detaining her to sort out the situation, they can cuff her.

There is the law and then there is the law as practiced by the police. Shit, the cops could have ordered her out of the car and to lay face down. They could have even maced her, tazered her, beat her with batons, or shot her 52 times. Then sorted out the situation.

The point isn’t what they could have done; it is what they did and their moral justification for that. The police are an arm of the government. Well WE are the government. When we lose that distinction and answer to A government, we are no longer a free people.

Handcuffing people for a traffic offense is the same as a cop yelling “assume the position” while pointing a gun at someone, or having a dozen cops kicking the crap out of three unarmed kids because of what might have happened.

An unmarked police car doesn’t infringe upon rights. I’ve explained above why I don’t like them, in addition to others’ arguments at how these misunderstandings can happen, as well as criminals preying upon people’s willingness to stop for an unmarked car.

This happened in Portugal.

As far as fines, they should be high enough to discourage violations. Speed cameras upset me, the whole right to face your accuser thing.

Perhaps some other use for trafic fines would seem more appropriate (uninsured motorist fund maybe).

No, I’m pissed because each day more and more of our rights are being abused and slip away. And I’m almost as pissed over cops using traffic laws for revenue generation rather than to increase public safety.

Do you want to stick to the topic at hand and contribute something useful? And, while you’re at it, care to answer the points of my above argument?

When I get caught speeding, it’s a calculated risk. I will eventually get caught, I know that. The cost is justified, in my view, as it happens approximately once every 5 years so far.

First time I got pulled over was for 87 in a 75 zone. It was justified, and I’m actually glad the cop didn’t VASCAR me earlier.

After that, I got a couple of warnings, each for doing 80 in a 75.

Most recently, I got a ticket for 84 in a 75. My speedometer had just recently indicated a speed of 78, which was verified by a passenger in my car. I think the semi beside me threw off his reading, honestly.

No at-fault accidents on my record. And no tickets, either, after taking defensive driving classes. …Which are a completely different money making joke for both the government and the private companies who provide the contracted service for the government.

Adequate disclosure for you?

Now answer my fucking argument.