1. None of the Above says:

    29-> Bob Barr or Ron Paul if I’m able to write his name in. But certainly not O’Cain McBama.

    It’s easy for the sheeple to vote for who the MSM says they should vote for. It’s hard to stand up for what you believe in and vote your conscience.

  2. julieb says:

    It’s easy to pretend you are making a difference while others understand that serious issues are at stake.

  3. bobbo says:

    #33–julieb==I assume you are responding to 32? I wanted to say “something.”

    Ralph cost Gore his election, all other things being equal. Barr might cost McCain if it gets close at all. I don’t think it will. McSame is such a clone, would a majority really vote for Bush’s third term?

    Dopes like 32 are inconsequential except on the margin, and then usually for worse outcomes. Ron Paul?===Hah. What a dope.

  4. None of the Above says:

    33-> So true, so true.

  5. None of the Above says:

    > When we Dems were in power last, we ran
    > surpluses.

    It’s always easy to save money when you don’t have the same bills. With the cold war over, there was no need to spend all that money.

    So, as we’re holding up democraps above republipukes, what about the one before that? And the one before that? And the one before that?

  6. Mr. Fusion says:

    #36, NotA,

    So, as we’re holding up democraps above republipukes, what about the one before that? And the one before that? And the one before that?

    What the fuck are you talking about ??? You already showed us you are an idiot, you needn’t prove it again.

  7. What an excellent speech!! I’m so glad to hear a candidate that is willing to talk about religion in this way, including mentioning the existence of those of us who are non-believers. It’s very encouraging to me. I know we would not have gotten such a speech from Clinton.

    I also think he did an excellent job of pointing out that one’s religious views are, or at least should be, irrelevant to one’s legislation.

    I haven’t read any of the replies yet. Possibly more from me later. I know that would be a shock to those who’ve seen my comments before.

  8. bobbo says:

    #38–Scott, you say: “I also think he did an excellent job of pointing out that one’s religious views are, or at least should be, irrelevant to one’s legislation.” /// How’s that?

    We should all rest easy that political leaders claiming a religious background are all hypocrites?

    Notwithstanding the above conundrum, given that most legislators are bought and paid for by special interests, maybe biblical values would indeed be better guides?

  9. #1 = Mister Mustard,

    … it will be like being released from a dungeon.

    All too literally in some cases.

    #10 – julieb,

    I like how he adds in “non-believer”. He does seem to understand that religious doctrine should not be public policy.

    I got that impression too and am quite impressed.

    #11 – The Warden,

    Without a script, Obama is clueless as we have seen time and time again when he tries to give off the cuff speeches or at debates.

    Even if true, why care? He doesn’t need to legislate off the cuff. He gets to think (a novel concept around here) and consult with his staff first.

    #15 – livvidd,

    My god, For the first time in my life I actually respect and like a politician, A strange but wonderful feeling!

    I feel that way too … about Kucinich … but Obama is quite good by main stream standards and has a chance to be elected since he too is bought by corporate America, a requirement for getting air time.

    #18 – jbenson2,

    #12 But McCain is not trying to control behavior with the tax code.

    Corporate welfare does not affect behavior? Do corporations with greater rights than humans not count? Sorry. Can’t agree with you here.

    #29 – Mister Mustard,

    Oh. Groovy. Who WILL you be voting for? Yo momma? Ralph Nader? Now THERE’s a vote that’s really going to make a difference.

    Keep thoughts like that to yourself please. This election, those saying that may vote Ron Paul rather than McBush, and may hand the election to Obama. We may need more people with such opinions on the Right. Don’t discourage them.

    #39 – bobbo,

    #38–Scott, you say: “I also think he did an excellent job of pointing out that one’s religious views are, or at least should be, irrelevant to one’s legislation.” /// How’s that?

    Missing your question here. My comment is that religion should not be a factor in legislation. Do you disagree? That would surprise me. Separation of church and state. One of the few things El Duce (Giuliani) got really right. He was against abortion personally but for choice in his legislation … at least while he wanted support in NYC.

  10. None of the Above says:

    # 37 . . . fuck . . . idiot

    Well, THAT certainly proved your point. I bow to your superior debating skills.

  11. SJP says:

    By September he’ll be back-slapping John Hagee.

  12. #41 – NotA,

    Since you obviously believe both parties are equally bad on the economy, perhaps you’d like to view these numbers.

    Bush’s Economic Growth: Not So Impressive

    I’m personally not a big fan of the GDP. However, I view it much the way I view IQ. It’s a bad indicator, but usually the only one we have for what it measures. So we have to take it with a big grain of salt while still admitting that we may not have any other number.

    Perhaps it would be nice if someone recalculated this with a better indicator like the Genuine Progress Indicator.

    However, just knowing the way the parties operate, I’d bet that that would further skew the results in favor of the Democraps over the Repugnicans. Anyway, with the best number typically available, the worst Dem since 1960 ties the best Rep since 1960 for economic growth. All of the other repugs fall short of any of the ‘craps.

    So, when voting for the economy, there is a difference and the Dems are better.

  13. gregallen says:

    >> 36 None of the Above said, on June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    >> It’s always easy to save money when you don’t have the same bills. With the cold war over, there was no need to spend all that money.

    Well, the Republican damn well found a way to turn that around, didn’t they?

    Needless, disastrous quagmires have a way of ending surpluses real fast.

  14. gregallen says:

    >> # 37 Mr. Fusion said, on June 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    >>>>>> as we’re holding up democraps above republipukes, what about the one before that? And the one before that? And the one before that?
    >> What the fuck are you talking about ??? You already showed us you are an idiot, you needn’t prove it again.

    These people who claim that Republicans and Democrats are ABSOLUTELY THE SAME want us to admire how edgy and original they are.

    I think they are just politically clueless.

    If they were chemists, they be claiming water and gasoline is exactly the same because both are clear and wet.

  15. chris says:

    Analytical not presidential. He can sum up a problem, but some of his hopes don’t stand up to reality.

    Earlier in the campaign he stated that he’d lock up all loose nukes in the world in his first term. How can you understand a complex problem and think you have an immediate complete solution?

    He’s too arrogant not to make some more “bitter” analytical statements between now and November.

  16. Brian says:

    Great speech-it’s about time someone on the national stage realizes that any particular one ‘faith’ should have no more importance than another, and they sure as hell shouldn’t impact national policy.

    Funny that the right-wing bushbots in this thread can’t stick to the topic in the speech – they haven’t seen their idol bush give a speech this good in, oh well, forever!

  17. # 47 Brian,

    … they haven’t seen their idol bush give a speech this good in, oh well, forever!

    That’s not entirely true. While the man has not said much with which I agree, he was once an eloquent speaker. View the video of Bush, Before and After the Lobotomy over on cagematch. It comes complete with a diagnosis by a doctor in the employ of The Atlantic. The doctor may or may not be biased. However, there is no escaping the fact after viewing the video that Bush’s brain has been damaged by something in the 10 years between 1994 and 2004.

  18. None of the Above says:

    > 45 These people who claim that Republicans and
    > Democrats are ABSOLUTELY THE SAME want us to
    > admire how edgy and original they are.

    Not original unless you consider Thomas Jefferson original. He is the one who warned us about forming political parties. While the nation bickers about which of TWO candidates will make the best president, the real issues are completely passing you by and other candidates who may actually have a real answer are being ignored.

    Oh, well. When you’re riding your bike to get a $10 hamburger and paying $100 at the movies, just remember that you could have changed it. Yes, yes, I know, Bush is the sole cause of the gas prices. But he didn’t do it in a vacuum. Congress gave him a blank check. And when the dems got in office, they co-signed it. Yeah, real change.

  19. Mr. Fusion says:

    #49, NotA

    While the nation bickers about which of TWO candidates will make the best president, the real issues are completely passing you by and other candidates who may actually have a real answer are being ignored.

    It doesn’t matter how many candidates there are. I will never agree 100% with any of them. Currently Obama represents more of the things I believe in than does McBush. More important, he represents the person I can have more faith in if something unforeseen erupts.

    What you are saying is that neither of the current TWO major candidates agree with you 100% so they are irrelevant.

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