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	<title>Comments on: Monsanto&#8217;s GM corn MON863 shows kidney, liver toxicity in animal studies</title>
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		<title>By: Sick of Lies</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1381227</link>
		<dc:creator>Sick of Lies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently learned of a cover up between Dupont and Pioneer leading to the pay off of several wealthy men in the farming community in the midwest.  A mix up that was made between untested GMO corn and regularly distributed white corn was overlooked while the rich got richer and society is left to deal with the repurcussions of what will physically happen to our bodies.  Anything that was eaten through the Taco Bell restaurant most likley contains whatever they were testing.  I WANT FEEDBACK!!! A cover up that could&#039;ve been dealt with is know affecting many peoples health and they don&#039;t even know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently learned of a cover up between Dupont and Pioneer leading to the pay off of several wealthy men in the farming community in the midwest.  A mix up that was made between untested GMO corn and regularly distributed white corn was overlooked while the rich got richer and society is left to deal with the repurcussions of what will physically happen to our bodies.  Anything that was eaten through the Taco Bell restaurant most likley contains whatever they were testing.  I WANT FEEDBACK!!! A cover up that could&#8217;ve been dealt with is know affecting many peoples health and they don&#8217;t even know it.</p>
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		<title>By: RSweeney</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1217269</link>
		<dc:creator>RSweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Monsanto does a study and the results are obviously flawed. A group that opposes Monsanto does a study and the results are obviously correct and unbiased.

No sauce for the gander in this group!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Monsanto does a study and the results are obviously flawed. A group that opposes Monsanto does a study and the results are obviously correct and unbiased.</p>
<p>No sauce for the gander in this group!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216919</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This report and story are well over a year old at this point.  It didn’t receive much mainstream media coverage because the claims made were based on faulty science and were easily debunked.  You can read Monsanto’s response to the publication of these claims at http://www.monsanto.com/pdf/products/yieldgard_rw_response.pdf (warning, very technical)   
http://www.monsanto.com/products/techandsafety/safetysummaries/yieldgard_corn_supplement.asp
In a nutshell, as noted above in comment #25, the source of this report used the existing data from the studies that were performed in the course of the regulatory approval process for the EU.   The claims made by this group were arrived at by reviewing the existing data using a flawed statistical method.   At the conclusion of the original study, EU authorities agreed that MON 863 maize is safe for human and animal health and the environment.
In regards to the differences noted in the rats, five independent experts have reviewed the data and confirmed that MON 863 maize does not adversely affect the health of rats.   
•	Two independent, board certified, animal pathologists, one a world-recognized expert on rat kidney pathology, concluded there was no evidence that MON 863 induced changes in the rat kidney, that the findings observed occur commonly in rats, and that similar findings were found in rats fed conventional maize grain; consequently, the findings were not caused by feeding of MON 863 grain. 
•	M. Parodi, President of the French Association of Anatomo-Histopathology, reviewed the opinion of the two veterinary pathologists and agreed with their opinion – that the differences observed were not related to feeding on MON 863 maize. 
•	Two other independent animal pathologists reviewed the toxicological data and confirmed that all observed values were within the normal range of variation for rat toxicological studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report and story are well over a year old at this point.  It didn’t receive much mainstream media coverage because the claims made were based on faulty science and were easily debunked.  You can read Monsanto’s response to the publication of these claims at <a href="http://www.monsanto.com/pdf/products/yieldgard_rw_response.pdf" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.monsanto.com/pdf/products/yieldgard_rw_response.pdf' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.monsanto.com/pdf/products/yieldgard_rw_response.pdf</a> (warning, very technical)<br />
<a href="http://www.monsanto.com/products/techandsafety/safetysummaries/yieldgard_corn_supplement.asp" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.monsanto.com/products/techandsafety/safetysummaries/yieldgard_corn_supplement.asp' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.monsanto.com/products/techandsafety/safetysummaries/yieldgard_corn_supplement.asp</a><br />
In a nutshell, as noted above in comment #25, the source of this report used the existing data from the studies that were performed in the course of the regulatory approval process for the EU.   The claims made by this group were arrived at by reviewing the existing data using a flawed statistical method.   At the conclusion of the original study, EU authorities agreed that MON 863 maize is safe for human and animal health and the environment.<br />
In regards to the differences noted in the rats, five independent experts have reviewed the data and confirmed that MON 863 maize does not adversely affect the health of rats.<br />
•	Two independent, board certified, animal pathologists, one a world-recognized expert on rat kidney pathology, concluded there was no evidence that MON 863 induced changes in the rat kidney, that the findings observed occur commonly in rats, and that similar findings were found in rats fed conventional maize grain; consequently, the findings were not caused by feeding of MON 863 grain.<br />
•	M. Parodi, President of the French Association of Anatomo-Histopathology, reviewed the opinion of the two veterinary pathologists and agreed with their opinion – that the differences observed were not related to feeding on MON 863 maize.<br />
•	Two other independent animal pathologists reviewed the toxicological data and confirmed that all observed values were within the normal range of variation for rat toxicological studies.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216722</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amodedoma, the purpose of this product is to prevent the spraying of pesticides. This way it actually only ends up where it is needed.

As someone noted most foods are toxic or contain toxic parts. When a plant is stressed it tends to make more toxins.

There are risks connected to the new crops but there are risks and lower food productions with the old crops. Some of the new stuff is less nutritious and some of it doesn&#039;t tast as good.

Eat what you want and can afford but I can&#039;t grow tomatoes that aren&#039;t reorganized to resist the local pests. I can plant them but they die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amodedoma, the purpose of this product is to prevent the spraying of pesticides. This way it actually only ends up where it is needed.</p>
<p>As someone noted most foods are toxic or contain toxic parts. When a plant is stressed it tends to make more toxins.</p>
<p>There are risks connected to the new crops but there are risks and lower food productions with the old crops. Some of the new stuff is less nutritious and some of it doesn&#8217;t tast as good.</p>
<p>Eat what you want and can afford but I can&#8217;t grow tomatoes that aren&#8217;t reorganized to resist the local pests. I can plant them but they die.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216497</link>
		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The risks of GM foods is documented.  The obvious need for caution and further study before implementation ignored.  We&#039;re told it&#039;s to feed the hungry or fuel our cars, but Monsanto is a MEGA corporation, not a charitable institution, their sole motivation is profit.  Globolization of agricultural interests may seem like a good idea from a business standpoint.  But do you really want your health to depend on some greedy bastard&#039;s bottom line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The risks of GM foods is documented.  The obvious need for caution and further study before implementation ignored.  We&#8217;re told it&#8217;s to feed the hungry or fuel our cars, but Monsanto is a MEGA corporation, not a charitable institution, their sole motivation is profit.  Globolization of agricultural interests may seem like a good idea from a business standpoint.  But do you really want your health to depend on some greedy bastard&#8217;s bottom line?</p>
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		<title>By: The Monster's Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216473</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monster's Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Fankenfood.  I&#039;ve been eating Frankenberry cereal for years and there ain&#039;t nuttin wrong with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Fankenfood.  I&#8217;ve been eating Frankenberry cereal for years and there ain&#8217;t nuttin wrong with me.</p>
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		<title>By: qsabe</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216410</link>
		<dc:creator>qsabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reoccurring word in all these comments is &quot;lawsuit&quot;   .. Whatever happened to baseball bats and rioting crowds.  ..  Bunch of damn wimps with lawyers now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reoccurring word in all these comments is &#8220;lawsuit&#8221;   .. Whatever happened to baseball bats and rioting crowds.  ..  Bunch of damn wimps with lawyers now.</p>
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		<title>By: god</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216409</link>
		<dc:creator>god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left this alone overnight - and I&#039;m pleasantly surprised to see a few people did what John didn&#039;t.  Google around for sources.

Work at it a little longer and you&#039;ll learn the &quot;source&quot; is 3 guys at a French university who only &quot;represent&quot; an anti-GM organization.  &lt;i&gt;They did absolutely NO testing or research.&lt;/i&gt;

They used their own premises to rework information provided from Monsanto&#039;s studies - accepted by researchers to justify permission to sell the seed stock.  That doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s no gov&#039;t corruption.  But, non-science doesn&#039;t counter Establishment science.

The US source is probably a handout at the local Whole Foods.  I eat a growing proportion of Organic - according to what I can afford - but, the last thing I&#039;ll rely on is the handouts at the Whole Foods where I do about 30% of my grocery shopping.  About as far from essential science as you can get - this side of Fox Snooze.

Pesticide component in the grain = 1kg per hectare.  That doesn&#039;t even come up to mouse turds on any farm.

Cross-pollination?  Might be a fear unless you already know the prime criticism made of Monsanto and their patented GM seed stock is that it&#039;s sterile and must be repurchased for every crop.

Google and read.  Google and read.  Google and read.  Try to work your way down to primary or secondary sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left this alone overnight &#8211; and I&#8217;m pleasantly surprised to see a few people did what John didn&#8217;t.  Google around for sources.</p>
<p>Work at it a little longer and you&#8217;ll learn the &#8220;source&#8221; is 3 guys at a French university who only &#8220;represent&#8221; an anti-GM organization.  <i>They did absolutely NO testing or research.</i></p>
<p>They used their own premises to rework information provided from Monsanto&#8217;s studies &#8211; accepted by researchers to justify permission to sell the seed stock.  That doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s no gov&#8217;t corruption.  But, non-science doesn&#8217;t counter Establishment science.</p>
<p>The US source is probably a handout at the local Whole Foods.  I eat a growing proportion of Organic &#8211; according to what I can afford &#8211; but, the last thing I&#8217;ll rely on is the handouts at the Whole Foods where I do about 30% of my grocery shopping.  About as far from essential science as you can get &#8211; this side of Fox Snooze.</p>
<p>Pesticide component in the grain = 1kg per hectare.  That doesn&#8217;t even come up to mouse turds on any farm.</p>
<p>Cross-pollination?  Might be a fear unless you already know the prime criticism made of Monsanto and their patented GM seed stock is that it&#8217;s sterile and must be repurchased for every crop.</p>
<p>Google and read.  Google and read.  Google and read.  Try to work your way down to primary or secondary sources.</p>
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		<title>By: polyman71</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216391</link>
		<dc:creator>polyman71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PDF link provided by &quot;bobbo&quot; is a press release, NOT a peer reviewed paper.  This PR has no scientific merit. The website this blog piece refers to has an axe to grind.  The BT toxin is a protein that has been tested extensively. This entire post smells like BS to this cranky old guy. I like Dvorak, but this is nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PDF link provided by &#8220;bobbo&#8221; is a press release, NOT a peer reviewed paper.  This PR has no scientific merit. The website this blog piece refers to has an axe to grind.  The BT toxin is a protein that has been tested extensively. This entire post smells like BS to this cranky old guy. I like Dvorak, but this is nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: GRtak</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216282</link>
		<dc:creator>GRtak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the company scientists say it is ok for us to consume. And the lobbyists tell the peeps in Congress the same while handing over big checks to get them re-elected. And they in turn put pressure on the FDA to speed-up the whole apporval process. (This is why lobbyists are REALLY BAD)

 And the few that asked questions about the safety of such crops were made out to be ignorant psychos. I remeber one of those &quot;scientists&quot; saying something about GM crops being nothing more than what we have been doing for thousands of years with cross breeding. And corn is in a good portion of the processed foods we consume, so it should only be a short time before we have 7 year old kids with kidney and liver problems if we allow this to keep going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the company scientists say it is ok for us to consume. And the lobbyists tell the peeps in Congress the same while handing over big checks to get them re-elected. And they in turn put pressure on the FDA to speed-up the whole apporval process. (This is why lobbyists are REALLY BAD)</p>
<p> And the few that asked questions about the safety of such crops were made out to be ignorant psychos. I remeber one of those &#8220;scientists&#8221; saying something about GM crops being nothing more than what we have been doing for thousands of years with cross breeding. And corn is in a good portion of the processed foods we consume, so it should only be a short time before we have 7 year old kids with kidney and liver problems if we allow this to keep going.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216247</link>
		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monsanto, yeah you remember, the guys that had the exclusive on PCB production for 40 years and did everything they could to protect it&#039;s use even after it&#039;s toxicity was well established.  It&#039;s the money, boys and girls.  Long as the dollar sign is god to these people they could care less how many people die as a tribute to their greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsanto, yeah you remember, the guys that had the exclusive on PCB production for 40 years and did everything they could to protect it&#8217;s use even after it&#8217;s toxicity was well established.  It&#8217;s the money, boys and girls.  Long as the dollar sign is god to these people they could care less how many people die as a tribute to their greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-2/#comment-1216068</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The kinds of lawsuits — worldwide — that will be coming out of some of these Frankenfood developments are going to be awesome.&quot;

Somehow I doubt it -- Congress in its infinite mercy to its corporate future employers will find a way to hide an amnesty in a health bill or some such. I&#039;d bet a nickel on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The kinds of lawsuits — worldwide — that will be coming out of some of these Frankenfood developments are going to be awesome.&#8221;</p>
<p>Somehow I doubt it &#8212; Congress in its infinite mercy to its corporate future employers will find a way to hide an amnesty in a health bill or some such. I&#8217;d bet a nickel on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dexton7</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-1215942</link>
		<dc:creator>dexton7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene splicing is going to get us in to worse trouble than this someday. I read an article a few years ago about men in biohazard suits burning fields of corn spliced with HIV dna. It didn&#039;t quite go as planned. It also started to cross pollinate with neighboring fields. Oops. Check it out...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene splicing is going to get us in to worse trouble than this someday. I read an article a few years ago about men in biohazard suits burning fields of corn spliced with HIV dna. It didn&#8217;t quite go as planned. It also started to cross pollinate with neighboring fields. Oops. Check it out&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Likes2LOL</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/06/30/monsantos-gm-corn-mon863-shows-kidney-liver-toxicity-in-animal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-1215929</link>
		<dc:creator>Likes2LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5,8 Raff - Thanks for the Monsanto &quot;Patent For a Pig&quot; and &quot;Fox News Kills Monsanto Milk Story&quot; links.

So much for the &quot;fair and balanced&quot; independence of the Fourth Estate -- it&#039;s scary to see greedy corporations in control of what&#039;s in your food &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; what you&#039;re allowed to see on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5,8 Raff &#8211; Thanks for the Monsanto &#8220;Patent For a Pig&#8221; and &#8220;Fox News Kills Monsanto Milk Story&#8221; links.</p>
<p>So much for the &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; independence of the Fourth Estate &#8212; it&#8217;s scary to see greedy corporations in control of what&#8217;s in your food <i>and</i> what you&#8217;re allowed to see on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is correct and I&#039;d need a couple of studies to be sure then monsanto is most likely doomed.

The reason I have my doubts is that studies like  this are already supposed to have occured by the hundreds with no such results reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is correct and I&#8217;d need a couple of studies to be sure then monsanto is most likely doomed.</p>
<p>The reason I have my doubts is that studies like  this are already supposed to have occured by the hundreds with no such results reported.</p>
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