Bobbo, at least you are making the right argument. Awhile back on this board, people were arguing that ‘torture never works.’ They were trying to take the easy way out.

I’m not sure there’s much lost in terms of enemies’ opinion. They were already spreading tales of torture, flushing Korans, Abu Ghraib, etc. I don’t think waterboarding makes things look much worse.

Of course there’s plenty lost in terms of we don’t want to commit torture.

Maybe if hitchens was woken up at 2am at home, tossed in a van and dunked in a bathtub for an hour while being yelled at and beaten…and don’t tell him beforehand that it was going to happen, then he would get the full experience.

So why aren’t we “allowed to” win?

“There are several reasons but the most important is as soon as a victory is declared all US forces will have to leave. To keep it going allows a footprint to remain in the form of a staging area for any future Middle East unrest.”

What are you new?

How many “Permanent” bases are we constructing in Iraq (somewhere between 14 and 58) We will have a permanent force of 50-100k in Iraq for the next 20 years, or until the oil runs out which ever comes first.

I’ve asked this before and never gotten an answer:
How many ‘in the field’ (now retired) intelligence agents have you spoken to about torture?

J/P=?

Why do you hate America so much?

1. The straw man argument here is yours. The issue is whether or not America should, in its own self interest, waterboard its prisoners. You have to be deaf, dumb, and a Bushie to think it helps protect America–so how many are waterboarded is irrelevant once the world thinks we approve the procedure. In fact, your argument goes just the other way. If we are waterboarding very few, is that little bit of evidence worth the massive turn in world opinion?

2. You ask if standard Seal training is torture. No, it isn’t. What equation are you trying to make?

3. You totally lose it trying to equate battlefield conflict with guns to after battlefield conflict in detention centers with interrogation. Again, I guess the bullshit between your ears makes this “connection” valid in some way? It so obviously doesn’t, I won’t further digress.

Self Righteous? Got a mirror handy?

Dolt.

It is an error that people who are deprived of oxygen turn “red” as one opinionator stated . They turn blue and dusky, also known as cyanosis. The volunteer was clearly not cyanotic, he had a panic reaction, which from his statements is a common thing for him. I’m guessing your average Navy SEAL could tolerate this much, much longer than the wimp that volunteered. SEAL training is basically 6 months of hypothermia and partial drowning. Is that torture?
Should we outlaw the use of firearms against terrorists? Have you seen what a wounded gunshot victim goes through? I have. Is that not torture? Where do you draw your smug, self-righteous line? Maybe handcuffs are torture… after all, they cause some uncomfortable chafing and swelling at times. Maybe cause nightmares, for gosh sakes. Maybe our troops and interrogators should just be limited to throwing ‘Code Pink’ buttons at these guys… woops, could put an eye out.

hahahahahaha

you think the terrorists need this youtube video to be effective torturers?

Give me a damned break. You’re probably the same idiot who condemns videos of how to protect yourself against robberies for fear of giving thieves ideas.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Don’t you think they already have a copy of our armed forces’ torture manual? What do they need with a Youtube video other than to laugh at a stupid journalist?

Now that the video is on you-tube it means the terrorists now have step-by-step instructions on an effective torture method which they can use on any capture serviceman in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Yep, those with a conscience against those that don’t have one. I am an agnostic libertarian and I agree with Mustard on this one.

Yeah, the Godless fuck!