A federal judge says the University of California can deny course credit to applicants from Christian high schools whose textbooks declare the Bible infallible and reject evolution.
Rejecting claims of religious discrimination and stifling of free expression, U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles said UC’s review committees cited legitimate reasons for rejecting the texts – not because they contained religious viewpoints, but because they omitted important topics in science and history and failed to teach critical thinking.
Otero’s ruling Friday, which focused on specific courses and texts, followed his decision in March that found no anti-religious bias in the university’s system of reviewing high school classes. Now that the lawsuit has been dismissed, a group of Christian schools has appealed Otero’s rulings to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
On the vaguely unrelated topic of Christian dating (very important to students), here are some tips. Thanks Hop!
On another, take this survey on your understanding of evolution.
#19–Scott==its rare, but you are arguing for a point already fully considered.
Courses teaching a god centered cause for history or science cannot be included towards qualifying for UC BASED ON COURSE WORK. Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.
So–its abundantly clear that your religious training does not qualify and yet if you are of hypocritical stuff (what you call “strength of will”) and qualify under the PSA test, you can still get in.
So Scott==what you advocate for is completely part of the system and the only thing left is whether of not the court/schools/authority should speak clearly on the subject.
Clearly, religion is not training for a higher education. Saying so might help some having less strength of will in their earlier years see the route to their success more easily.
Let the truth, plainly stated, rule our lives. Somebody in the enlightenment surely said that.
#21 – bobbo,
Good. I’m glad to hear I missed that point. That’s what I get for skimming instead of reading.
Still haven’t received results of the survey. Perhaps they’ll send it only after they determine that it’s done.
#21 – “Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.”
Thanks bobbo. That was one of the 1st questions I thought of when I read the article.
Perhaps “Creationist-Related Study” could be accepted for credit in CREATIVE FANTASY WRITING, if not for Science !!! Would square with reality !!!
Good. Glad to see some sense in the world.
Don’t these kids have to take the SATs or ACTs? I don’t care if you were educated by wolves. Pass the tests to gain entrance. I can’t see how any college can really be sure any student has learned subject matter presented in High School, regardless of whether they received a passing grade in the subject. I remember having to take additional tests to get into calculus, even though my SATs score was excellent. Test um all, making the question of whom one was educated by moot.
#20
You are correct.
Also, if you want to transfer to UC, you usually see a counsellor to find out what courses will count and take those, and you will not expect other courses to transfer (like that underwater basketweaving class that transformed your life). If you don’t get counselling.. then you aren’t very smart. If you got bad counseling, tough break, it happens sometimes, but it isn’t the University’s fault.
I suspect that the truth is there is an agenda here that involves making the University Christian. Its a state university, so that will happen about the time Hell freezes over, if you believe in Hell.
Chris
I’m just going on memory here but there are 2 different issues with some overlap being discussed?
1–Qualifications to get in==combination/evaluation of many things including required SAT, High School GPA, which High School it Was, Sports Played, Community Activity, Letters from Congressmen, etc.
2–Units Needed to Get a Degree and Prerequistes to take a class. How many of your college prep classes that you took will qualify versus starting from scratch at the new school will be independently reviewed.
I’m not going to re-read the linked article–it may have been ambiguous as I don’t think any school admits students solely on high school performance absent a pre-arrangement.
Creationist School credits should only be passed on to other Creationist schools, simple. I’d love to be the Personnel Officers who work in the real world interviewing these graduates.
Question – “How do you see the evolution of business in a fiduciary context?”
Answer – “Um….there’s no such thing as evolution!”
I think its a shame that universities discriminate against dumb people by not accepting them. I also think all this distinction between ‘academic’ and ‘science’ vs. ‘relgion’ and ‘woo’ (good word recently introduced to me by this blog, if you don’t know it, look it up), what they should do is tear down all the distinctions, merging arts, science, and religion into one topic of ‘neat stuff’. They should also avoid any topic that may cause offensive to people (either religiously or otherwise). In fact, maybe they should just ditch this whole ‘learning’ thing in universities all-toghether and focus more on sports. No one ever just offended over sports, and everybody loves to see those guys in tight fitting clothes slap each other on the behind.
I don’t see any problem with the judge’s decision here.
The plaintiffs are f#cking d*uche baggues.
They should get a life.