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	<title>Comments on: Judge Says Creationist-Related School Credit Can&#8217;t Be Transferred To U.C. Schools</title>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any problem with the judge&#039;s decision here.

The plaintiffs are f#cking d*uche baggues.

They should get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any problem with the judge&#8217;s decision here.</p>
<p>The plaintiffs are f#cking d*uche baggues.</p>
<p>They should get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Peanut Butter and Jam</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/judge-says-creationist-school-credit-cant-be-transferred-to-uc-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-1301103</link>
		<dc:creator>Peanut Butter and Jam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a shame that universities discriminate against dumb people by not accepting them.  I also think all this distinction between &#039;academic&#039; and &#039;science&#039; vs. &#039;relgion&#039; and &#039;woo&#039; (good word recently introduced to me by this blog, if you don&#039;t know it, look it up), what they should do is tear down all the distinctions, merging arts, science, and religion into one topic of &#039;neat stuff&#039;.  They should also avoid any topic that may cause offensive to people (either religiously or otherwise).  In fact, maybe they should just ditch this whole &#039;learning&#039; thing in universities all-toghether and focus more on sports.  No one ever just offended over sports, and everybody loves to see those guys in tight fitting clothes slap each other on the behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a shame that universities discriminate against dumb people by not accepting them.  I also think all this distinction between &#8216;academic&#8217; and &#8217;science&#8217; vs. &#8216;relgion&#8217; and &#8216;woo&#8217; (good word recently introduced to me by this blog, if you don&#8217;t know it, look it up), what they should do is tear down all the distinctions, merging arts, science, and religion into one topic of &#8216;neat stuff&#8217;.  They should also avoid any topic that may cause offensive to people (either religiously or otherwise).  In fact, maybe they should just ditch this whole &#8216;learning&#8217; thing in universities all-toghether and focus more on sports.  No one ever just offended over sports, and everybody loves to see those guys in tight fitting clothes slap each other on the behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Right</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/judge-says-creationist-school-credit-cant-be-transferred-to-uc-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-1300710</link>
		<dc:creator>Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creationist School credits should only be passed on to other Creationist schools, simple. I&#039;d love to be the Personnel Officers who work in the real world interviewing these graduates.
Question - &quot;How do you see the evolution of business in a fiduciary context?&quot;
Answer - &quot;Um....there&#039;s no such thing as evolution!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creationist School credits should only be passed on to other Creationist schools, simple. I&#8217;d love to be the Personnel Officers who work in the real world interviewing these graduates.<br />
Question &#8211; &#8220;How do you see the evolution of business in a fiduciary context?&#8221;<br />
Answer &#8211; &#8220;Um&#8230;.there&#8217;s no such thing as evolution!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/judge-says-creationist-school-credit-cant-be-transferred-to-uc-universities/comment-page-1/#comment-1300660</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just going on memory here but there are 2 different issues with some overlap being discussed?

1--Qualifications to get in==combination/evaluation of many things including required SAT, High School GPA, which High School it Was, Sports Played, Community Activity, Letters from Congressmen, etc.

2--Units Needed to Get a Degree and Prerequistes to take a class.  How many of your college prep classes that you took will qualify versus starting from scratch at the new school will be independently reviewed.

I&#039;m not going to re-read the linked article--it may have been ambiguous as I don&#039;t think any school admits students solely on high school performance absent a pre-arrangement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just going on memory here but there are 2 different issues with some overlap being discussed?</p>
<p>1&#8211;Qualifications to get in==combination/evaluation of many things including required SAT, High School GPA, which High School it Was, Sports Played, Community Activity, Letters from Congressmen, etc.</p>
<p>2&#8211;Units Needed to Get a Degree and Prerequistes to take a class.  How many of your college prep classes that you took will qualify versus starting from scratch at the new school will be independently reviewed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to re-read the linked article&#8211;it may have been ambiguous as I don&#8217;t think any school admits students solely on high school performance absent a pre-arrangement.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20

You are correct.

Also, if you want to transfer to UC, you usually see a counsellor to find out what courses will count and take those, and you will not expect other courses to transfer (like that underwater basketweaving class that transformed your life). If you don&#039;t get counselling.. then you aren&#039;t very smart. If you got bad counseling, tough break, it happens sometimes, but it isn&#039;t the University&#039;s fault.

I suspect that the truth is there is an agenda here that involves making the University Christian.  Its a state university, so that will happen about the time Hell freezes over, if you believe in Hell.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20</p>
<p>You are correct.</p>
<p>Also, if you want to transfer to UC, you usually see a counsellor to find out what courses will count and take those, and you will not expect other courses to transfer (like that underwater basketweaving class that transformed your life). If you don&#8217;t get counselling.. then you aren&#8217;t very smart. If you got bad counseling, tough break, it happens sometimes, but it isn&#8217;t the University&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>I suspect that the truth is there is an agenda here that involves making the University Christian.  Its a state university, so that will happen about the time Hell freezes over, if you believe in Hell.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: zefyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>zefyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t these kids have to take the SATs or ACTs? I don&#039;t care if you were educated by wolves. Pass the tests to gain entrance. I can&#039;t see how any college can really be sure any student has learned subject matter presented in High School, regardless of whether they received a passing grade in the subject. I remember having to take additional tests to get into calculus, even though my SATs score was excellent. Test um all, making the question of whom one was educated by moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t these kids have to take the SATs or ACTs? I don&#8217;t care if you were educated by wolves. Pass the tests to gain entrance. I can&#8217;t see how any college can really be sure any student has learned subject matter presented in High School, regardless of whether they received a passing grade in the subject. I remember having to take additional tests to get into calculus, even though my SATs score was excellent. Test um all, making the question of whom one was educated by moot.</p>
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		<title>By: The answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good. Glad to see some sense in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good. Glad to see some sense in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: JimD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps &quot;Creationist-Related Study&quot; could be accepted for credit in CREATIVE FANTASY WRITING, if not for Science !!!  Would square with reality !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps &#8220;Creationist-Related Study&#8221; could be accepted for credit in CREATIVE FANTASY WRITING, if not for Science !!!  Would square with reality !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 - &quot;Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.&quot;

Thanks bobbo.  That was one of the 1st questions I thought of when I read the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 &#8211; &#8220;Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks bobbo.  That was one of the 1st questions I thought of when I read the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 - bobbo,

Good. I&#039;m glad to hear I missed that point. That&#039;s what I get for skimming instead of reading.

Still haven&#039;t received results of the survey. Perhaps they&#039;ll send it only after they determine that it&#039;s done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 &#8211; bobbo,</p>
<p>Good. I&#8217;m glad to hear I missed that point. That&#8217;s what I get for skimming instead of reading.</p>
<p>Still haven&#8217;t received results of the survey. Perhaps they&#8217;ll send it only after they determine that it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19--Scott==its rare, but you are arguing for a point already fully considered.  

Courses teaching a god centered cause for history or science cannot be included towards qualifying for UC BASED ON COURSE WORK.  Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.

So--its abundantly clear that your religious training does not qualify and yet if you are of hypocritical stuff (what you call &quot;strength of will&quot;) and qualify under the PSA test, you can still get in.

So Scott==what you advocate for is completely part of the system and the only thing left is whether of not the court/schools/authority should speak clearly on the subject.

Clearly, religion is not training for a higher education.  Saying so might help some having less strength of will in their earlier years see the route to their success more easily.

Let the truth, plainly stated, rule our lives.  Somebody in the enlightenment surely said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19&#8211;Scott==its rare, but you are arguing for a point already fully considered.  </p>
<p>Courses teaching a god centered cause for history or science cannot be included towards qualifying for UC BASED ON COURSE WORK.  Those failing to qualify on course work can still qualify under the SAT testing service.</p>
<p>So&#8211;its abundantly clear that your religious training does not qualify and yet if you are of hypocritical stuff (what you call &#8220;strength of will&#8221;) and qualify under the PSA test, you can still get in.</p>
<p>So Scott==what you advocate for is completely part of the system and the only thing left is whether of not the court/schools/authority should speak clearly on the subject.</p>
<p>Clearly, religion is not training for a higher education.  Saying so might help some having less strength of will in their earlier years see the route to their success more easily.</p>
<p>Let the truth, plainly stated, rule our lives.  Somebody in the enlightenment surely said that.</p>
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		<title>By: John C Dvorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 I think most would be on the 6000 year old universe track rather than the 10,000 year old universe track. Get it right!

It&#039;s nothing new not to get transfer credit for a lot of different courses at Cal. Generally speaking if it is not a high-level accredited school lots of courses will not transfer. A lot of JC and community college courses will not transfer. They are strict about it, that&#039;s why they are a top ten school. The fact that some idiots sued for credits is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 I think most would be on the 6000 year old universe track rather than the 10,000 year old universe track. Get it right!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nothing new not to get transfer credit for a lot of different courses at Cal. Generally speaking if it is not a high-level accredited school lots of courses will not transfer. A lot of JC and community college courses will not transfer. They are strict about it, that&#8217;s why they are a top ten school. The fact that some idiots sued for credits is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the survey. I&#039;ll let you know the results when I get them.

I support the exclusion of people with inadequate education from institutes of higher learning. They are merely setting prerequisites.

I do not quite agree with bobbo on this one. I do not want it stated plainly. I want it weasel worded. This will allow those who come from such backgrounds but have managed to educate themselves to potentially take a test showing that they have attained the appropriate level of education on their own and still further their own education.

There are some who come from extremely religious backgrounds and manage to make up their own minds about such things and break free of the enslavement to an imaginary friend. These people are often among the best and brightest. Imagine the strength of will and intelligence it takes to overcome such teachings from birth.

Such people should be rewarded and may be among the top of their class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the survey. I&#8217;ll let you know the results when I get them.</p>
<p>I support the exclusion of people with inadequate education from institutes of higher learning. They are merely setting prerequisites.</p>
<p>I do not quite agree with bobbo on this one. I do not want it stated plainly. I want it weasel worded. This will allow those who come from such backgrounds but have managed to educate themselves to potentially take a test showing that they have attained the appropriate level of education on their own and still further their own education.</p>
<p>There are some who come from extremely religious backgrounds and manage to make up their own minds about such things and break free of the enslavement to an imaginary friend. These people are often among the best and brightest. Imagine the strength of will and intelligence it takes to overcome such teachings from birth.</p>
<p>Such people should be rewarded and may be among the top of their class.</p>
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		<title>By: JimD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who develop &quot;Critical Thinking Skills&quot; tend to see the Bible for what it is - A FAIRY TALE !!!  And the Fundies can&#039;t have that, so the BRAIN-WASHING OF IMPRESSIONABLE KIDS WILL CONTINUE !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who develop &#8220;Critical Thinking Skills&#8221; tend to see the Bible for what it is &#8211; A FAIRY TALE !!!  And the Fundies can&#8217;t have that, so the BRAIN-WASHING OF IMPRESSIONABLE KIDS WILL CONTINUE !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Somebody_Else</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody_Else</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14

There&#039;s a difference between &quot;studying God&#039;s impact on science and math&quot; and refusing to accept our modern understanding of subjects like astronomy and biology in favor of a book and an invisible man who lives in the sky.

No one who thinks the universe is only 10,000 years old belongs in a university, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;studying God&#8217;s impact on science and math&#8221; and refusing to accept our modern understanding of subjects like astronomy and biology in favor of a book and an invisible man who lives in the sky.</p>
<p>No one who thinks the universe is only 10,000 years old belongs in a university, sorry.</p>
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