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	<title>Comments on: Return of Fairness Doctrine Could Control Web Content Says FCC</title>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nothing is fair. Life is not fair. Government can never make up for the fact that life is not fair. Fascist elements have tried to nanny and police and failed miserably. The religion of politics can make us feel warm and cozy at night knowing government loves us and wants to take care of us for the rest of our lives, but it cannot make anything fair. This issue is not about who is getting more time and what is being skewed to the left or right. It is a flawed proposition to ever begin with. As far as I can recall China is doing rather well at moderating media though...we should really look up to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothing is fair. Life is not fair. Government can never make up for the fact that life is not fair. Fascist elements have tried to nanny and police and failed miserably. The religion of politics can make us feel warm and cozy at night knowing government loves us and wants to take care of us for the rest of our lives, but it cannot make anything fair. This issue is not about who is getting more time and what is being skewed to the left or right. It is a flawed proposition to ever begin with. As far as I can recall China is doing rather well at moderating media though&#8230;we should really look up to them.</p>
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		<title>By: BigCarbonFoot</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-2/#comment-1301119</link>
		<dc:creator>BigCarbonFoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 -&lt;i&gt;&quot;First of all, there are successful liberal talk shows. The Stephanie Miller Show has garnered great ratings in almost every market it is in.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  - Proves my point, put something on people want to listen to and you get ratings.  That&#039;s how it&#039;s supposed to work.

#15 - I&#039;m talking about a steady drumbeat from the drug addled hippies on forward.  But, once in a while things really are broken.  The problem with Newt&#039;s crowd is that they didn&#039;t follow through and also had to try and push everything past a Democratic President.

Never fear though - &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; that is good will end soon with the election of O&#039;Vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 -<i>&#8220;First of all, there are successful liberal talk shows. The Stephanie Miller Show has garnered great ratings in almost every market it is in.&#8221;</i>  &#8211; Proves my point, put something on people want to listen to and you get ratings.  That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s supposed to work.</p>
<p>#15 &#8211; I&#8217;m talking about a steady drumbeat from the drug addled hippies on forward.  But, once in a while things really are broken.  The problem with Newt&#8217;s crowd is that they didn&#8217;t follow through and also had to try and push everything past a Democratic President.</p>
<p>Never fear though &#8211; <i>all</i> that is good will end soon with the election of O&#8217;Vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: GregAllen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregAllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Paddy-O said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
&gt;&gt; Not one person who supports this proposed censorship has answered the question of how the censors would be chosen…

Maybe it&#039;s because it&#039;s a parody of our viewpoint to call fairness censorship.

We don&#039;t want censorship, we want ALL KINDS of political opinions on the radio waves... not just 100% conservative, 100% of the time like in many US markets right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Paddy-O said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm<br />
&gt;&gt; Not one person who supports this proposed censorship has answered the question of how the censors would be chosen…</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s a parody of our viewpoint to call fairness censorship.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want censorship, we want ALL KINDS of political opinions on the radio waves&#8230; not just 100% conservative, 100% of the time like in many US markets right now.</p>
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		<title>By: GregAllen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregAllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Sinn Fein said, 
&gt;&gt; What is fair about it is called the Open Market Place of Ideas where people buy and support ideas and arguments that they happen to find themselves in agreement with…on August 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

But that&#039;s the problem. There ISN&#039;T an open market of ideas when conservative media monopolies are allowed to shut out political opinions they don&#039;t like, with the collusion of a conservative government. 

... and to do it with publicity owned airwaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Sinn Fein said,<br />
&gt;&gt; What is fair about it is called the Open Market Place of Ideas where people buy and support ideas and arguments that they happen to find themselves in agreement with…on August 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the problem. There ISN&#8217;T an open market of ideas when conservative media monopolies are allowed to shut out political opinions they don&#8217;t like, with the collusion of a conservative government. </p>
<p>&#8230; and to do it with publicity owned airwaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-2/#comment-1300685</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who remembers the fairness doctrine, I notice many on these pages don&#039;t seem to know what it was. It was eliminated in the Reagan administration, so I&#039;ll explain it to you &#039;youngsters&#039; out there.

All the doctrine did is require broadcast stations to provide equal time to groups or individuals who took exception to something the station broadcast.  That isn&#039;t censorship, its courtesy. Talk radio was young then, and it was much more civilized (although not completely) because you always faced the possibility you would be challenged.  

Since all the right wing hosts these days tend to just parrot the Republican talking points and the Drudge report, literally everything they say would be subject to challenge.  Yes they have a reason to be worried, because they might actually have to WORK for their salaries if there were a fairness doctrine.

On a side note, did you ever noticed that the conservatives like to lump all liberals into the same bag?  &quot;Air America Sucks&quot;.  Yet you never hear them say &quot;Clear Channel is great.&quot; If you are going to attack liberal radio, at least name a host so you at least create the illusion that you actually have listened to one.  This may come as a shock to you, but there are successful liberal hosts who don&#039;t work for Air America.

And they would be subject to the fairness doctrine also, but none of the ones I&#039;ve heard have a problem with that. 

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who remembers the fairness doctrine, I notice many on these pages don&#8217;t seem to know what it was. It was eliminated in the Reagan administration, so I&#8217;ll explain it to you &#8216;youngsters&#8217; out there.</p>
<p>All the doctrine did is require broadcast stations to provide equal time to groups or individuals who took exception to something the station broadcast.  That isn&#8217;t censorship, its courtesy. Talk radio was young then, and it was much more civilized (although not completely) because you always faced the possibility you would be challenged.  </p>
<p>Since all the right wing hosts these days tend to just parrot the Republican talking points and the Drudge report, literally everything they say would be subject to challenge.  Yes they have a reason to be worried, because they might actually have to WORK for their salaries if there were a fairness doctrine.</p>
<p>On a side note, did you ever noticed that the conservatives like to lump all liberals into the same bag?  &#8220;Air America Sucks&#8221;.  Yet you never hear them say &#8220;Clear Channel is great.&#8221; If you are going to attack liberal radio, at least name a host so you at least create the illusion that you actually have listened to one.  This may come as a shock to you, but there are successful liberal hosts who don&#8217;t work for Air America.</p>
<p>And they would be subject to the fairness doctrine also, but none of the ones I&#8217;ve heard have a problem with that. </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: The answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we just go back to phone modems and BBS&#039;s . where is the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we just go back to phone modems and BBS&#8217;s . where is the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-2/#comment-1300551</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it when people use terms like &quot;libidiots&quot; and &quot;Chimp-in-chief.&quot; It makes it really easy to see who I can ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it when people use terms like &#8220;libidiots&#8221; and &#8220;Chimp-in-chief.&#8221; It makes it really easy to see who I can ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not one person who supports this proposed censorship has answered the question of how the censors would be chosen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one person who supports this proposed censorship has answered the question of how the censors would be chosen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sinn Fein</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-1/#comment-1300358</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinn Fein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;90% of talk radio stations are conservative and many communities have no “lib” station at all.

What’s fair about that? What’s open about that?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

What is fair about it is called the Open Market Place of Ideas where people buy and support ideas and arguments that they happen to find themselves in agreement with...and their BS detectors haven&#039;t exploded into a million pieces after being exposed to it!  

If you&#039;re selling a POS product that NOBODY wants to buy, it will die a well-deserved death.  Liberals are crying that people are mean because they won&#039;t buy corrupt, self-serving, communistic, socialist garbage bullshit...what a shock!  

The libidiot sheeple solution?  FORCE THEM TO BUY IT!  Oops, sorry, its America and you can&#039;t force us.  NAH NAH NAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>&#8220;90% of talk radio stations are conservative and many communities have no “lib” station at all.</p>
<p>What’s fair about that? What’s open about that?&#8221;</i></b></p>
<p>What is fair about it is called the Open Market Place of Ideas where people buy and support ideas and arguments that they happen to find themselves in agreement with&#8230;and their BS detectors haven&#8217;t exploded into a million pieces after being exposed to it!  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re selling a POS product that NOBODY wants to buy, it will die a well-deserved death.  Liberals are crying that people are mean because they won&#8217;t buy corrupt, self-serving, communistic, socialist garbage bullshit&#8230;what a shock!  </p>
<p>The libidiot sheeple solution?  FORCE THEM TO BUY IT!  Oops, sorry, its America and you can&#8217;t force us.  NAH NAH NAH!</p>
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		<title>By: Sinn Fein</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-1/#comment-1300352</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinn Fein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Conservatives can go to hell. We need the Fairness Doctrine for radio and TV broadcasting (not the internet, that’s just conservative fear mongering).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 

People who see things anywhere close to this view are pure, &quot;useful idiots.&quot;  I&#039;m a conservative and I couldn&#039;t go to Hell even if I tried, its already overflowing with tool liberal sheeple.

Bring on the so-called &quot;Fairness Doctrine&quot; and then see what immediately happens to the ultra-liberal Main Stream Media which includes the networks, CNN, etc.  Suddenly, conservatives will have more national outlets than ever before even if it is forced upon the MSM by Supreme Court ruling to enforce the &quot;Fairness Doctrine.&quot;

Soon enough, libidiots everywhere will realize that they have opened a Conservative Pandora&#039;s Box and will be beaten to death with their own arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>&#8220;Conservatives can go to hell. We need the Fairness Doctrine for radio and TV broadcasting (not the internet, that’s just conservative fear mongering).&#8221;</i></b> </p>
<p>People who see things anywhere close to this view are pure, &#8220;useful idiots.&#8221;  I&#8217;m a conservative and I couldn&#8217;t go to Hell even if I tried, its already overflowing with tool liberal sheeple.</p>
<p>Bring on the so-called &#8220;Fairness Doctrine&#8221; and then see what immediately happens to the ultra-liberal Main Stream Media which includes the networks, CNN, etc.  Suddenly, conservatives will have more national outlets than ever before even if it is forced upon the MSM by Supreme Court ruling to enforce the &#8220;Fairness Doctrine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Soon enough, libidiots everywhere will realize that they have opened a Conservative Pandora&#8217;s Box and will be beaten to death with their own arm.</p>
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		<title>By: bitter1919</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitter1919</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to these misleading assertions, Net Neutrality has nothing to do with empowering the FCC to regulate content (aka Fairness Doctrine). Net Neutrality is the First Amendment of the Internet, and has been part of the Web since its inception. It says that no one -- government agency or corporate giant -- should be able to tell consumers what legal content they can access and share online.

It is absurd to equate Net Neutrality -- a principle that promotes and protects free speech on the Internet -- with any effort to regulate speech.
Sen. Kerry   FCC Commissioner McDowell’s World

In reality, the FCC’s decision is not about regulation; it’s about law and order. If someone is caught red-handed committing a crime, their punishment is not regulation. It’s justice. Comcast was caught illegally blocking free speech and the free market on the Internet and now they are being punished for their crime. Punished not with a fine, but with a reasonable request. The FCC simply told Comcast to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to these misleading assertions, Net Neutrality has nothing to do with empowering the FCC to regulate content (aka Fairness Doctrine). Net Neutrality is the First Amendment of the Internet, and has been part of the Web since its inception. It says that no one &#8212; government agency or corporate giant &#8212; should be able to tell consumers what legal content they can access and share online.</p>
<p>It is absurd to equate Net Neutrality &#8212; a principle that promotes and protects free speech on the Internet &#8212; with any effort to regulate speech.<br />
Sen. Kerry   FCC Commissioner McDowell’s World</p>
<p>In reality, the FCC’s decision is not about regulation; it’s about law and order. If someone is caught red-handed committing a crime, their punishment is not regulation. It’s justice. Comcast was caught illegally blocking free speech and the free market on the Internet and now they are being punished for their crime. Punished not with a fine, but with a reasonable request. The FCC simply told Comcast to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: GF</title>
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		<dc:creator>GF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just more proof that they don&#039;t understand how the internet works or maybe they understand to well. ;)

I saw the video and I think the FCC chairman was actually talking about net neutrality and was giving a very poor analogy regarding ISP&#039;s and the fainess doctrine, he was trying to connect dots that just were not there.

Even so, do we really need a fairness doctrine for anything? I just turn it off or change the channel unlike those poor slobs in N. Korea that HAVE TO leave the &#039;radio&#039; on in their homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just more proof that they don&#8217;t understand how the internet works or maybe they understand to well. <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I saw the video and I think the FCC chairman was actually talking about net neutrality and was giving a very poor analogy regarding ISP&#8217;s and the fainess doctrine, he was trying to connect dots that just were not there.</p>
<p>Even so, do we really need a fairness doctrine for anything? I just turn it off or change the channel unlike those poor slobs in N. Korea that HAVE TO leave the &#8216;radio&#8217; on in their homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-1/#comment-1300116</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; GrimJack said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 am
&gt;&gt; Lib talk radio doesn’t work because libs don’t like fair and open debate.

90% of talk radio stations are conservative and many communities have no &quot;lib&quot; station at all.

What&#039;s fair about that? What&#039;s open about that?

The conservatives love being the only one with a microphone in vast swaths of America, so they can lied their heads off, unchallenged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; GrimJack said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 3:05 am<br />
&gt;&gt; Lib talk radio doesn’t work because libs don’t like fair and open debate.</p>
<p>90% of talk radio stations are conservative and many communities have no &#8220;lib&#8221; station at all.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s fair about that? What&#8217;s open about that?</p>
<p>The conservatives love being the only one with a microphone in vast swaths of America, so they can lied their heads off, unchallenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/13/return-of-fairness-doctrine-could-control-web-content-says-fcc/comment-page-1/#comment-1300115</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; BigCarbonFoot said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 8:51 am
&gt;&gt; What’s been the liberal message at least since the late 60’s? “Everything sucks - vote for us so we can fix it.”

No, you&#039;re confusing liberals with the conservatives&#039; &quot;Contract with America&quot; that was  promised to fix a country that had totally gone off the rails in every regard.

Holy smokes, they made it worse. Those days seem pretty great now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; BigCarbonFoot said,  on August 13th, 2008 at 8:51 am<br />
&gt;&gt; What’s been the liberal message at least since the late 60’s? “Everything sucks &#8211; vote for us so we can fix it.”</p>
<p>No, you&#8217;re confusing liberals with the conservatives&#8217; &#8220;Contract with America&#8221; that was  promised to fix a country that had totally gone off the rails in every regard.</p>
<p>Holy smokes, they made it worse. Those days seem pretty great now.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add that this smells like right wingers trying to scare the on-line community into opposing a fairness doctrine.

Since when do &quot;bloggers&quot; at the Heritage foundation have any sort of status to be instructing the FCC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add that this smells like right wingers trying to scare the on-line community into opposing a fairness doctrine.</p>
<p>Since when do &#8220;bloggers&#8221; at the Heritage foundation have any sort of status to be instructing the FCC?</p>
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