A federal judge has permanently barred Arizona from using a state law to prosecute an online merchant who sells shirts that list names of thousands of troops killed in Iraq.
U.S. District Judge Neil Wake did not strike down the 2007 law against selling products that use of military casualties’ names without families’ permission. But he ruled that using the law to prosecute Dan Frazier would violate the Flagstaff man’s First Amendment rights because his “Bush Lied — They Died” shirts are “core political speech.”
“It is impossible to separate the political from the commercial aspects of that display,” Wake wrote. “For example, the state argues that Frazier can sell his shirts without displaying the soldiers’ names. But Frazier’s product is his message, and his customers’ message.”
Arizona’s law was enacted with little debate by the Legislature, and Louisiana, Oklahoma and Texas have enacted similar laws.
Don’t you think you wouldn’t have to explain Freedom of Speech every couple of weeks to the goofoffs running the country?
“The maker of the shirts in question did not ask for permission to use the names of people who served their country. Those people should be honored, not used to further political stances.”
What greater honor than to be remembered, by people who care? (And who are trying to do _something_ to stop the list from getting longer and longer and longer…)
“Don’t you think you wouldn’t have to explain Freedom of Speech every couple of weeks to the goofoffs running the country?”
From what I’ve seen law makers trample parts of the Bill of Rights on a regular basis, not just the 1st Amend…
Sure he can say what he likes but so can I. First of all he has to prove that Bush did in fact lie about WMD instead of make a mistake. After that carryabigsticker needs to prove that this is what directly caused their death. He has done neither and is being relegated to the Big Foot mythmakers and UFO nutballs.
#23–thanks GF. The shirt of course doesn’t go to the issues you raise. You raise them all by yourself.
Its called a GUILTY CONSCIOUS. God, you neo-cons are such dopes.
They tried making shirts like this for Vietnam when the dems were murdering U.S. kids but all the names wouldn’t fit.
bobbo, there you go, calling people names with no proof. I’ll pray for you.
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#23 – Girl Friend
If you think “Bush lied, people died” is in the same category as Bigfoot and UFO’s, I’ma pray fo you, man.
You could use some divine guidance.
#23. “Sure he can say what he likes but so can I. First of all he has to prove that Bush did in fact lie about WMD instead of make a mistake.”
It goes to show how weak the argument for this war is, when its defenders are reduced to saying, “It was a MISTAKE not a FRAUD.”
WMD aside, Bush is an admitted liar – right before the 2006 elections he said that he was standing behind Rummy 100%, then right after, Rummy was gone. when asked about his flip-flop, he admitted that Rummy was on his way out the door before the elections, but they wanted to wait until afterward to announce it.
#23, GF,
Sure he can say what he likes but so can I.
Yes, and so you did. That doesn’t restrict others from also saying their piece to which you change your tune.
bobbo, there you go, calling people names with no proof.
Well lets look a little deeper at this. There is no dispute today, in late August 2008, that Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction or even serious military equipment as they were accused of by Bush and his administration. Over 4,100 Americans have died so far in Iraq. That leads us to Bobbo’s comment in #24,:
Its called a GUILTY CONSCIOUS. God, you neo-cons are such dopes.
You were the one who raised the issue. You claim YOU can say what you like. Yet for some reason, others are to be restricted in what they can say. Bobbo is correct and sure has hit a sore spot with the neo-cons.
In short, Bush lied and people died. And that ain’t about to change any time soon.
So if we want to talk about guilty conscious. How about the 854,122 abortions that happened in 2003(according to Wikipedia Ref Abortion/US). That number is more than 200 times the number of deaths in the 5 years of the Iraqi war. Liberals have a great time quoting statistics while they ignore others.
As a footnote to the “Bush Lied, They Died” T-shirt, the maker could note that:”And Halliburton made out like a BANDIT” !!! No-Bid Contracts and SHODDY ELECTRICAL WORK THAT ***KILLED GIs*** and OVERCHARGES FOR WATER AND GASOLINE – CRIMES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT, ought to have some Executives FACING A FIRING SQUAD !!! “I know, WAR-PROFITEERING IS HARD WORK, BUT SOMEONE HAS TO ***CLEAN OUT THE US TREASURY***, SO WE WILL JUST HELP OURSELVES”, says Prick Cheney !!!
#30–congrats CZen, your understanding of the Bill of Rights is coming right along.
Yes, of course, a tee-shirt of aborted fetus images/names whatever would be the same free-speech issue.
I don’t know what guilty conscience issue would be highlighted there though. Why not have pictures of the 4 times as many innocent babies given birth who weren’t wanted and were raised in a life of poverty and abuse?
No–aborted fetuses have that old mix of motives. In a certain sense, the aborted fetuses are as innocent as the killed soldiers in a useless war, but there are difference too.
Tee-shirts are the START of a conversation, not the conclusion.
Thats all ya got bobobo. As usual ya missed the mark by far. But ya fell for the bait as usual.
I can see my obtuse point does not make any sense to anyone so let me simplify it. First let me clarify that I think you should respect a soldier’s family wish to not be on the shirt. If you want to be an ahole and put it on the shirt go ahead but you’re an ahole in my book.
Mr. Fusion – I don’t think you know what a neo-con is. I’m not one. Israel means nothing to me. I NEVER said you can not say what you want; where the f%#k did I say that!
Doug – It really isn’t about Bush. See Mr. Mustard below.
Mr. Mustard – First it’s GF and it borders on the fanatical and disregards those who do not wish to be attributed with it.
#33–CZen==how so? Teach me Master-baiter.
#34–GF==you call your own point “obtuse?” Why then SHOULD anyone contest your post as you already admit its error? What do you think obtuse means? You might check with Master-baiter above. He also has a basic communication malfunction. Maybe the two of you can miscommunicate yourselves out of a paper bag.
Why yes, I did call my post, #23, obtuse, bobbolhead. Obtuse : difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression… You have such a keen eye but such a dull wit.
Bobobo’s back is to the wall. He’s lashing out at people instead of defending his own points. Next he will say the same thing about me.
The point of bringing up Abortion was to show the hypocracy of liberal hate. “Killing soldiers is wrong, but go ahead an scrape that fetus out. Free speech is great as long as I agree with what is said.”
What band wagon are you going to jump on next Bobobo?
Tagged teamed by dolts. Doubledolts. Can’t wait for school to start so you can steal candy from babies?
GF–anyone can make a misstatement, but it takes a fool/neo-con to make it an issue of pride. Yes==you are obtuse as in “not clear or precise in thought.” And you are proud of it. Dolt!
CZen==likewise foolish. I suspect you will grow out of it. Keep hitting those books, the reasons you should read as many books as possible will become clear to you if you cast your net widely.
I’m for freedom of speech, not for its suppression. What do you think my position on either subject is? I haven’t posted mine besides saying they both involved a mix of issues. Silly to rail against a straw man when the written record is right in front of you. Again==doltish.
Well, at least one of you has access to a dictionary. Now you just need someone to explain the definitions.
#37 “What band wagon are you going to jump on next Bobobo?”
He does that. A day or two ago he took 2 different positions on income tax & welfare until he quit trying to make sense…
#39–Trifecta!!! The crowd roars.
Paddie—–no. Just because I don’t think taxes should be collected at the point of a gun doesn’t mean I don’t think governments should have a source of revenue.
It actually does look like to me that you infact don’t understand anything but the black/white positions you take. All that field of gray inbetween is lost on you. Funny, I thought it was just a ploy on your part to look stupid, but you mean it.
I can accept that, sad, but I accept it. Sadder there are so many of you, reproducing, voting, treated as equals. God Bless America!