Comments on: Journalists reach out to Comedian Jon Stewart for advice http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ubiquitous talking head http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-2/#comment-1319785 ubiquitous talking head Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:16:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319785 <i>Sure, he’s about as left-wing-leaning as they come, but at least he makes no bones about it. </i><i> He's NOT left-leaning. He's anti-right, which isn't the same at all. If you watch him regularly, he criticizes the liberals fairly consistently, mostly for being idiots. (The same thing he criticizes the right for.) He DOES lean to the right, somewhat, in regard to middle eastern policy. He is a defender of Israel, albeit a critic of many of Israel's most obnoxious behaviors. </i><i>explains why he accepts Fox News for what they are. They too make no bones about their political slant.</i> You apparently think they're being facetious when they claim to be "fair and balanced". They are not. There are a lot of people, including the "FirstName-LastInitial" paid shills who show up here, who believe that their news is accurate, or worse, true. I like the line from "Absence of Malice", where Sally Field's character responds to her boss when he asks if her report was accurate. "It was accurate", she says, "But it wasn't true." Or maybe I got that backwards. As if anybody is reading this anyway. At least then you know where you stand in relation to the “story” being presented. Sure, he’s about as left-wing-leaning as they come, but at least he makes no bones about it.

He’s NOT left-leaning. He’s anti-right, which isn’t the same at all. If you watch him regularly, he criticizes the liberals fairly consistently, mostly for being idiots. (The same thing he criticizes the right for.)

He DOES lean to the right, somewhat, in regard to middle eastern policy. He is a defender of Israel, albeit a critic of many of Israel’s most obnoxious behaviors.

explains why he accepts Fox News for what they are. They too make no bones about their political slant.

You apparently think they’re being facetious when they claim to be “fair and balanced”. They are not. There are a lot of people, including the “FirstName-LastInitial” paid shills who show up here, who believe that their news is accurate, or worse, true.

I like the line from “Absence of Malice”, where Sally Field’s character responds to her boss when he asks if her report was accurate.

“It was accurate”, she says, “But it wasn’t true.”

Or maybe I got that backwards. As if anybody is reading this anyway.

At least then you know where you stand in relation to the “story” being presented.

]]> By: tomyerex http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-2/#comment-1319578 tomyerex Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:24:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319578 The Media has always been profit driven and the idea that Media has only recently had an agenda seems ludicrous to me, a quick peruse of old articles at the library from WWII era contains stories covering the wonders and achievements of Nazi fascism ignoring the obvious problems that existed. Still other newspapers took a different stand and condemned or simply reported on activities in Germany. The difference now is in the concentration of ownership and lack of smaller independents. J.C. Dvorak often comments how so many outlets have the exact same story, considering the small "gene pool" is this any wonder? The Media has always been profit driven and the idea that Media has only recently had an agenda seems ludicrous to me, a quick peruse of old articles at the library from WWII era contains stories covering the wonders and achievements of Nazi fascism ignoring the obvious problems that existed. Still other newspapers took a different stand and condemned or simply reported on activities in Germany.

The difference now is in the concentration of ownership and lack of smaller independents.

J.C. Dvorak often comments how so many outlets have the exact same story, considering the small “gene pool” is this any wonder?

]]> By: Nate http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-2/#comment-1319439 Nate Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:22:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319439 Right wing, left wing, makes no difference, Stewart is right on. I started reading the papers when I was in fourth grade and over the past 25 years, I have noticed a major decline. Once the newspapers and TV news started letting the advertisers dictate what would and would not be covered, everything went downhill. You don't necessarily need good inside sources to be a good reporter, you simply need to use your brain! Years ago, a local congressman was running for office and made a campaign filing that included two loans, one for $30k and the other for $15k that were to a man and his brother that had not been repaid to the congressman. The campaign filing also stated that the men were involved in a road rage incident with the congressman. However, the papers just regurgitated the filing and did not follow up on the story until the congressman's handler quit after he had an outburst. Only then did the story get covered. If the papers would simply look through the local government records, record the graft and favoritism and back rubbing that goes on, maybe they could go back to being the third estate. Right wing, left wing, makes no difference, Stewart is right on. I started reading the papers when I was in fourth grade and over the past 25 years, I have noticed a major decline. Once the newspapers and TV news started letting the advertisers dictate what would and would not be covered, everything went downhill. You don’t necessarily need good inside sources to be a good reporter, you simply need to use your brain! Years ago, a local congressman was running for office and made a campaign filing that included two loans, one for $30k and the other for $15k that were to a man and his brother that had not been repaid to the congressman. The campaign filing also stated that the men were involved in a road rage incident with the congressman. However, the papers just regurgitated the filing and did not follow up on the story until the congressman’s handler quit after he had an outburst. Only then did the story get covered. If the papers would simply look through the local government records, record the graft and favoritism and back rubbing that goes on, maybe they could go back to being the third estate.

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Yup! It’s sarcasm. Plus the mention of American Race is doing reference to the intro song of the American Dad cartoon.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319371 bobbo Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:34:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319371 #19--Floyd==this may or may not be a quibble, but the "news" should all be the same. The slant should appear on the editorial page where you find reaction to the news. BBC is a good alternate source, and Dvorak has been posting Al Jezera lately. In any case, consciously read the source to separate the news from the slant and you will be the active reader that democracy depends on. #19–Floyd==this may or may not be a quibble, but the “news” should all be the same. The slant should appear on the editorial page where you find reaction to the news.

BBC is a good alternate source, and Dvorak has been posting Al Jezera lately.

In any case, consciously read the source to separate the news from the slant and you will be the active reader that democracy depends on.

]]> By: Floyd http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319364 Floyd Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:17:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319364 Have you ever read about a national or regional news incident in the local newspaper, then tried using the Web to find an article that covered that news from a different slant? Not gonna happen. Newspapers get their stories from AP, Reuters and other wire services, because reporters are expensive. The only articles I see that seem to look at the news in a different light are on the BBC website, and sometimes on the Chicago Trib or the New York Times. Have you ever read about a national or regional news incident in the local newspaper, then tried using the Web to find an article that covered that news from a different slant? Not gonna happen.

Newspapers get their stories from AP, Reuters and other wire services, because reporters are expensive. The only articles I see that seem to look at the news in a different light are on the BBC website, and sometimes on the Chicago Trib or the New York Times.

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Somebody HAS to properly replace David Palmer in 24 Hour Season Eleven. Using Wayne was not a stroke of genius.

#13 Wong, love ya man.

#15 ya it’s sarcastic

If only I could get these shows streamed in HD in Canada…

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319309 bobbo Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:06:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319309 #16--Li==you have your finger on it. Journalists don't perform as court stenographers, only court stenographers do. Let both necessary groups do their assigned duties and let the chips fall where they may. Its what "professionals" are supposed to do. But they don't. #16–Li==you have your finger on it.

Journalists don’t perform as court stenographers, only court stenographers do.

Let both necessary groups do their assigned duties and let the chips fall where they may. Its what “professionals” are supposed to do.

But they don’t.

]]> By: Li http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319304 Li Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:00:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319304 #4 If a journalist doesn't play court stenographer, the inside sources will pick another ethics free stenographer to regurgitate their spin. And how long would a journalist last without the inside sources, anymore? Unless their aspiration was to cover the Peoria dog show, not long. #4 If a journalist doesn’t play court stenographer, the inside sources will pick another ethics free stenographer to regurgitate their spin.

And how long would a journalist last without the inside sources, anymore? Unless their aspiration was to cover the Peoria dog show, not long.

]]> By: Improbus http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319289 Improbus Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:47:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319289 @Angel H. Wong American Race? I didn't know there was such a thing. I think you mean American People. Still, I hope you were being sarcastic. @Angel H. Wong

American Race? I didn’t know there was such a thing. I think you mean American People. Still, I hope you were being sarcastic.

]]> By: ab cd http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319239 ab cd Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:43:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319239 I don't think I'd let Jon Stewart be the basis for running a news organization. He was probably laughing at all the people that cared about his advice. Tim Russert would pull clips of people lying. The big problem is the liberals in the media. They see themselves as advancing a cause rather than watching the government. I don’t think I’d let Jon Stewart be the basis for running a news organization. He was probably laughing at all the people that cared about his advice.

Tim Russert would pull clips of people lying.

The big problem is the liberals in the media. They see themselves as advancing a cause rather than watching the government.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319234 Angel H. Wong Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:36:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319234 What good can get from a baby-eating, satan worshipping, man kissing liberal like John Stewart? FOX news is the sole source of information America needs and anyone who disagrees with our fair and balanced shows is a traitor to the American Race. What good can get from a baby-eating, satan worshipping, man kissing liberal like John Stewart? FOX news is the sole source of information America needs and anyone who disagrees with our fair and balanced shows is a traitor to the American Race.

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319231 chuck Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:32:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319231 Can we start by getting Nancy Grace fired from CNN Headline News - and replaced with, um, I dunno, the headline news report? Can we start by getting Nancy Grace fired from CNN Headline News – and replaced with, um, I dunno, the headline news report?

]]> By: hhopper http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319229 hhopper Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:29:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319229 We're in trouble when local news shows do complete segments on network shows. That's NOT NEWS! We’re in trouble when local news shows do complete segments on network shows. That’s NOT NEWS!

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/08/27/journalists-reach-out-to-comedian-jon-stewart-for-journalistic-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-1319200 Dallas Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:48:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=22195#comment-1319200 Clearly, Stewart makes total sense. His way of educating the masses is right - do it with entertainment. It's a start. The only way to BEGIN to educate the ignorant masses of Americans out there is like giving medicine to a baby. Wrap it in something sweet, or in this case, comedy. The down side is GOP TV is also feeding the masses shit wrapped in bacon given by a clown. Wow, that's a tough act. Clearly, Stewart makes total sense. His way of educating the masses is right – do it with entertainment. It’s a start.

The only way to BEGIN to educate the ignorant masses of Americans out there is like giving medicine to a baby. Wrap it in something sweet, or in this case, comedy.

The down side is GOP TV is also feeding the masses shit wrapped in bacon given by a clown. Wow, that’s a tough act.

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