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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Bunny Suicides&#8217; Cartoon Book Pulled in China after Boy, 12, Kills Himself</title>
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		<title>By: the answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one ever gave Gorey grief... and this looks like a ripoff of his style. Minus the goth / teen angst</description>
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		<title>By: Jess Hurchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Hurchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What parent would buy this book for their kid?&quot;

That&#039;d be me. The younger one wanted it, both boys (14 and 11) and I read it, both boys are still alive, and, although if pushed I&#039;d describe myself as a dead hippy, so am I. 
The book has been out since before the Christmas before last and long enough for a sequel, I don&#039;t remember a rash of suicides all over the UK in the interim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What parent would buy this book for their kid?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;d be me. The younger one wanted it, both boys (14 and 11) and I read it, both boys are still alive, and, although if pushed I&#8217;d describe myself as a dead hippy, so am I.<br />
The book has been out since before the Christmas before last and long enough for a sequel, I don&#8217;t remember a rash of suicides all over the UK in the interim.</p>
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		<title>By: Woolly Mittens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woolly Mittens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s NOT a childrens book. Geez. And since when does the party approve reading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s NOT a childrens book. Geez. And since when does the party approve reading?</p>
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		<title>By: Ah_Yea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah_Yea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 gtrouge, Absolutely.

The vast majority of Chinese really never get the chance to progress educationally simply because the system (educational and government) can&#039;t support it.

I only occasionally work in China, and since TIHE_HO mysteriously stopped posting just before the Olympics, we haven&#039;t had another viewpoint since.

Good to have you on board!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 gtrouge, Absolutely.</p>
<p>The vast majority of Chinese really never get the chance to progress educationally simply because the system (educational and government) can&#8217;t support it.</p>
<p>I only occasionally work in China, and since TIHE_HO mysteriously stopped posting just before the Olympics, we haven&#8217;t had another viewpoint since.</p>
<p>Good to have you on board!</p>
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		<title>By: gtrogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>gtrogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 6 Ah_Yea,
I think what goes unnoticed and unreported about test scores, and some have mentioned this, is the difference in our education systems.

In most other countries, most much smaller than the U.S., only the elite students actually take these tests. In the U.S. every student takes these tests whether they are college material or not.
If you compared the test scores of only the upper echelon of students in the U.S. the ranking would be much different.
In all these comparisons we are comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, I live in China and I can tell you their education system is not even close to the quality of the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 6 Ah_Yea,<br />
I think what goes unnoticed and unreported about test scores, and some have mentioned this, is the difference in our education systems.</p>
<p>In most other countries, most much smaller than the U.S., only the elite students actually take these tests. In the U.S. every student takes these tests whether they are college material or not.<br />
If you compared the test scores of only the upper echelon of students in the U.S. the ranking would be much different.<br />
In all these comparisons we are comparing apples to oranges.</p>
<p>BTW, I live in China and I can tell you their education system is not even close to the quality of the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Ah_Yea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah_Yea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Zybch.  Yes, thanks for the link!

It&#039;s pretty funny!

From a morbid sense of humor view, with such good and funny ways to off yourself, why did these Chinese guys decide to go the traditional routes?

Such a lack of imagination.

BTW, more interesting stuff from the article.

&quot;According to a recently issued report by the China Mental Health Association, suicide is the leading cause of death for Chinese aged 15-34, with the national rate triple the world average.&quot;
  (Nope, it&#039;s way worse than 3 times the world average.  This is all the Government would admit to.)
&quot;Those children suffer from a lack of real love from the family, or they&#039;re suffering heavy study burdens,&quot; said Li Shuzhen, a consultant at the Psychological Health Education Center at Shanghai&#039;s Fudan University.
  (How about both?)
Withdrawing the book is &quot;better than nothing,&quot; she said. &quot;But what I care about is whether it would help. We need to appeal to the public to care more about teenagers&#039; mental health.&quot;
  (Nope, removing the book won&#039;t help.  The book is just a scapegoat, a way to save face.  Blame the book!  Yea, that&#039;s it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Zybch.  Yes, thanks for the link!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty funny!</p>
<p>From a morbid sense of humor view, with such good and funny ways to off yourself, why did these Chinese guys decide to go the traditional routes?</p>
<p>Such a lack of imagination.</p>
<p>BTW, more interesting stuff from the article.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to a recently issued report by the China Mental Health Association, suicide is the leading cause of death for Chinese aged 15-34, with the national rate triple the world average.&#8221;<br />
  (Nope, it&#8217;s way worse than 3 times the world average.  This is all the Government would admit to.)<br />
&#8220;Those children suffer from a lack of real love from the family, or they&#8217;re suffering heavy study burdens,&#8221; said Li Shuzhen, a consultant at the Psychological Health Education Center at Shanghai&#8217;s Fudan University.<br />
  (How about both?)<br />
Withdrawing the book is &#8220;better than nothing,&#8221; she said. &#8220;But what I care about is whether it would help. We need to appeal to the public to care more about teenagers&#8217; mental health.&#8221;<br />
  (Nope, removing the book won&#8217;t help.  The book is just a scapegoat, a way to save face.  Blame the book!  Yea, that&#8217;s it!)</p>
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		<title>By: denacron</title>
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		<dc:creator>denacron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Zybch! 
If we could distill pure stupidity, it would make for an easily understood common language.  
For some reason I expected more intelligence from the Chinese. We are not as a separate nation too removed from common idiocy.
The cartoons are very Gary Larson&#039;ish, I approve! :D
-Dennis-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Zybch!<br />
If we could distill pure stupidity, it would make for an easily understood common language.<br />
For some reason I expected more intelligence from the Chinese. We are not as a separate nation too removed from common idiocy.<br />
The cartoons are very Gary Larson&#8217;ish, I approve! <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
-Dennis-</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sounds like a sick comedy book for adults to me. What parent would buy this book for their kid?&quot;

Maybe because during the 80s and the 90s many outside the USA perceived all that obssession with censorship coming from that country as nothing but BS and simply let KIDS go watch movies like Aliens and Predator without much worry at all. In fact, kids here back then never did something as stupid as copy from the TV or a cartoon just like the kids from the USA did as always.

Nowadays with the constant evangelization of this continent south of the border we are seeing the same BS &quot;for the safety of the kids&quot; obssession with censorship... Not to mention that kids are getting dumber and now are copying the things they see on the TV and on the cartoons.

Maybe the kids in china are being americanized and are behaving more like the dumb idiots the child safety advocates are pleaching to censor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sounds like a sick comedy book for adults to me. What parent would buy this book for their kid?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe because during the 80s and the 90s many outside the USA perceived all that obssession with censorship coming from that country as nothing but BS and simply let KIDS go watch movies like Aliens and Predator without much worry at all. In fact, kids here back then never did something as stupid as copy from the TV or a cartoon just like the kids from the USA did as always.</p>
<p>Nowadays with the constant evangelization of this continent south of the border we are seeing the same BS &#8220;for the safety of the kids&#8221; obssession with censorship&#8230; Not to mention that kids are getting dumber and now are copying the things they see on the TV and on the cartoons.</p>
<p>Maybe the kids in china are being americanized and are behaving more like the dumb idiots the child safety advocates are pleaching to censor.</p>
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		<title>By: lakelady</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakelady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess something got lost in translation. Which is especially odd since there are few/no word associated with these images.

and

Improbus - they are stupid by comparison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess something got lost in translation. Which is especially odd since there are few/no word associated with these images.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Improbus &#8211; they are stupid by comparison</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few of the books, they are actually funny in a macabre way if you&#039;re in the right mood and place for them.  Funny how the Chinese are doing the same thing people here do, blaming a book rather than their parenting.

Guess we are all human after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few of the books, they are actually funny in a macabre way if you&#8217;re in the right mood and place for them.  Funny how the Chinese are doing the same thing people here do, blaming a book rather than their parenting.</p>
<p>Guess we are all human after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Zybch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zybch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see all the cartoons here:
http://tinyurl.com/yrws32</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see all the cartoons here:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yrws32" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/yrws32' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yrws32</a></p>
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		<title>By: eyeofthetiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>eyeofthetiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many ways with house hold appliances can a bunny &quot;off&quot; itself? DVD player is surely impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many ways with house hold appliances can a bunny &#8220;off&#8221; itself? DVD player is surely impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still remember the pressure to get good grades to get into the &quot;X&quot; classes in High School which were the premium college prep courses.  Then there were about 2-3 high stress tests after that given the academic track I was on.

So-yes, there are JC colleges (high schools with ash trays) that take everyone they can get, and religious based schools taking anyone with the tuition.

But still, in the USA for those motivated to really succeed, yes, competition, stress, tests, and failure is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still remember the pressure to get good grades to get into the &#8220;X&#8221; classes in High School which were the premium college prep courses.  Then there were about 2-3 high stress tests after that given the academic track I was on.</p>
<p>So-yes, there are JC colleges (high schools with ash trays) that take everyone they can get, and religious based schools taking anyone with the tuition.</p>
<p>But still, in the USA for those motivated to really succeed, yes, competition, stress, tests, and failure is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Improbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Improbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In America the smarter you are the more you are despised.  You have to play dumb if you don&#039;t want your daily beating/teasing.  That is the real reason Republicans can&#039;t stand Obama.  He makes them seem stupid by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In America the smarter you are the more you are despised.  You have to play dumb if you don&#8217;t want your daily beating/teasing.  That is the real reason Republicans can&#8217;t stand Obama.  He makes them seem stupid by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 - Ah_Yea

True. But 250k Yuan is no longer out of reach if your mom or dad is running a company... or is a high ranking commie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 &#8211; Ah_Yea</p>
<p>True. But 250k Yuan is no longer out of reach if your mom or dad is running a company&#8230; or is a high ranking commie.</p>
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