“She clearly doesn’t understand…”

By Tuesday September 30, 2008

The original is up at CNN. This excerpt is enough to get you thinking.



47 Comments
  1. smartalix says:
    10/1/2008 at 7:29 am

    40,

    paddy-o,

    It gets frustrating to even try and reason with you if you can’t follow a simple logic chain.

    ArianeB said,
    “Not only could Obama explain his view of the second amendment in detail (it deals with the phrase “well regulated militia”) he could probably explain your view of the second amendment (it deals with the phrase “right of the people”) more accurately than you yourself could.”

    I will not speak for her, but it is obvious to me that she is pointing out that Obama may be for the DC gun law, but his position is based on an interpretation of the 2nd amendment that you are free to argue against. Instead you addressed her comment, “Another classic Logical Fallacy by Paddy-O.” and said,

    “Sorry, fact. See his comments regarding agreeing that the DC gun ban is legal.”

    This is a stupid thing to say, for the following reason: it does not address the comment. She agrees with you that Obama supports the DC gun law, but that his position is an intelliogent one based on an interpretation of the 2nd amendment that you are free to debate. You simply repeat your accusation without even recognizing that she has answered it.

    Your response should have been something along the lines of “I disagree with Obama’s position because…” and say something reasonably thoughtful where the ellipsis is. Instead, you acted like a broken record.

    Are you really that dense, or is spouting b ullshit all you are capable of?

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  2. Paddy-O says:
    10/1/2008 at 8:41 am

    #41 “It gets frustrating to even try…”

    So, Obama was against the DC gun ban before it was found to be unconstitutional? Interesting…
    Got a link for that?

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  3. putn says:
    10/1/2008 at 1:25 pm

    is that guy even an american?

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  4. Smartalix says:
    10/1/2008 at 3:21 pm

    42,

    No, he always supported the ban. It is a fact that the ban is unconstitutional by decision of the Supreme Court.

    However, one can still argue that gun control (it is not a gun ban you can buy a rifle with a permit) is constitutional and that the judges did not give due weight to the word “militia” in the first amendment.

    One aspect of an organized militia is registered membership. We register cars, why not guns? We require competency tests for cars, why not guns? Freedom to travel is a right, just as weapon (what argument are you going to use when tech moves to ray guns?) ownership is a right. However, regulation is directly mentioned in the second amendment, so the argument, although regected by the court, is a logical one and worthy of at least an explanation for dismissal.

    Moreover, the Supremes have reversed themselves in the past, and may again in this case. Therefore, support of the D.C. ban is not unconstitutional as a defense of and argument of policy. Obama would be committing traitorous actions only if he actively plotted or carried out plans for depriving citizens with arms.

    So in the future, please stop being such a dick.

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  5. Smartalix says:
    10/1/2008 at 3:22 pm

    …at the very least on this thread.

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  6. Paddy-O says:
    10/1/2008 at 3:27 pm

    #44 “However, one can still argue that gun control (it is not a gun ban you can buy a rifle with a permit) is constitutional”

    One could but they’d be wrong.

    One could argue that the “press” can only use old fashioned printing machines and not electronic media, and you’d be wrong too…

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  7. Smartalix says:
    10/1/2008 at 3:35 pm

    46,

    A modern rifle is far from an antiquated weapon. In fact, it can be argued that handguns weren’t even considered by the writers since the technology was still such that only officers and nobility had pistols anyway. Look at the Swiss, with 100% gun ownership. They all have modern asssault rifles. So your argument has no weight and is a non-sequitur.

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