Comments on: Chilling details of a Seattle flight revealed http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:19:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393354 Mr. Fusion Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:58:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393354 That must have been a hairy time for the pilots. This is when good training and a lot of experience comes in handy. * #25, toc, Must suck to be you. Happy November fourth. That must have been a hairy time for the pilots. This is when good training and a lot of experience comes in handy.

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#25, toc,

Must suck to be you. Happy November fourth.

]]> By: toc http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393232 toc Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:52:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393232 The mechanics voted themselves more and more wages & benefits, the airlines were forced to fire the mechanics in large numbers. Inspections got beefed up and when they found more things wrong with the aircraft there weren't enough mechanics to fix them. Now it's just a flying circus and the retired airline people have busted out pensions to show for decades of work. It's going to get worse. Years back I suggested turning the airport into a morgue to process people faster. They owe hundreds of millions of dollars on the thing to support flying junk with junk airport bonds. Houses are getting foreclosed and the government wouldn't think of closing the airport. It's economically useless and full of government employees. Knowing how things work, they'll propose expanding it to create more government jobs once Obama is chief of the tribe. The trains are running, so I expect we'll see more hoboes riding the rails. It's like Barack to the Future, is this 2008 or 1932? The idiots out my way are ripping the stone out of the hills with heavy equipment to give work to the union. This means more work for the other union guys building retaining walls to hold up the hills. It looks like lots of make work projects ahead and the fact that the government and banks are busted could make funding a challenge. If they had money they would pay off the airport. The new idea is to keep printing unlimited cash and if they give enough away things will improve. More bank failures are certain. The airlines have already failed, so it's just going through the motions. The baby boom is a bust and you guys are just plain screwed. Now you will pin your hopes on Obama, so it's just like pin the tail on the donkey. It's a sham election, followed by a sham presidency and the world according to Warren Buffett. You know when Buffett and the unions are lined up together, you are in for trouble. They have some big plan, like the last big plan worked so well. The McCain deal is to send a message to the troops in the field. The message is screw you guys. The mechanics voted themselves more and more wages & benefits, the airlines were forced to fire the mechanics in large numbers. Inspections got beefed up and when they found more things wrong with the aircraft there weren’t enough mechanics to fix them. Now it’s just a flying circus and the retired airline people have busted out pensions to show for decades of work. It’s going to get worse. Years back I suggested turning the airport into a morgue to process people faster. They owe hundreds of millions of dollars on the thing to support flying junk with junk airport bonds. Houses are getting foreclosed and the government wouldn’t think of closing the airport. It’s economically useless and full of government employees. Knowing how things work, they’ll propose expanding it to create more government jobs once Obama is chief of the tribe. The trains are running, so I expect we’ll see more hoboes riding the rails. It’s like Barack to the Future, is this 2008 or 1932? The idiots out my way are ripping the stone out of the hills with heavy equipment to give work to the union. This means more work for the other union guys building retaining walls to hold up the hills. It looks like lots of make work projects ahead and the fact that the government and banks are busted could make funding a challenge. If they had money they would pay off the airport. The new idea is to keep printing unlimited cash and if they give enough away things will improve. More bank failures are certain. The airlines have already failed, so it’s just going through the motions. The baby boom is a bust and you guys are just plain screwed. Now you will pin your hopes on Obama, so it’s just like pin the tail on the donkey. It’s a sham election, followed by a sham presidency and the world according to Warren Buffett. You know when Buffett and the unions are lined up together, you are in for trouble. They have some big plan, like the last big plan worked so well. The McCain deal is to send a message to the troops in the field. The message is screw you guys.

]]> By: airunfair http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393212 airunfair Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:11:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393212 I thought large jets flight crews are trained to use the APU , not battery power in this situation. http://www.757.org.uk/systems/sys6.html I thought large jets flight crews are trained
to use the APU , not battery power in this
situation.

http://www.757.org.uk/systems/sys6.html

]]> By: busdriver320 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393196 busdriver320 Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:59:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393196 I love reading the non-pilots view of aviation material. #16 Why worry about the pilots? I don't understand. I have a few buds over at AA and have discussed this incident with them. It is generating discussion over there. Apparently this was not a straight forward abnormal procedure covered in the books, but one that combined multiple systems and procedures. The Captain is a long time 757 guy who knows more about its systems than anyone outside of Boeing, the FO is about as sharp as they come. With the limited and time critical nature of the info. they received, I am sure they made sound judgment calls. That is why they are paid the big bucks. So sit back in the seat you paid 99$ fly cross country, complain you have to spend 2$ on a coke, ask why you can't just fly through the thunderstorm to get there quicker, all the while not really worried about your safety. My latest passenger favorite- flying over the Vegas airport, our destination, a passenger in the back started screaming that I was "missing the runway" and flying right past the airport, what was wrong!!! Scaring everyone. Just getting in position to land, the airfield is landing to the west. Ooops. I love reading the non-pilots view of aviation material. #16 Why worry about the pilots? I don’t understand.

I have a few buds over at AA and have discussed this incident with them. It is generating discussion over there. Apparently this was not a straight forward abnormal procedure covered in the books, but one that combined multiple systems and procedures.

The Captain is a long time 757 guy who knows more about its systems than anyone outside of Boeing, the FO is about as sharp as they come. With the limited and time critical nature of the info. they received, I am sure they made sound judgment calls. That is why they are paid the big bucks.

So sit back in the seat you paid 99$ fly cross country, complain you have to spend 2$ on a coke, ask why you can’t just fly through the thunderstorm to get there quicker, all the while not really worried about your safety.

My latest passenger favorite- flying over the Vegas airport, our destination, a passenger in the back started screaming that I was “missing the runway” and flying right past the airport, what was wrong!!! Scaring everyone.

Just getting in position to land, the airfield is landing to the west. Ooops.

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393176 Smartalix Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:21:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393176 I just finished an AA flight yesterday where we took 10 hours to get to JFK from San Fransico. We left at 8:30 or so (scheduled 8:10), circled in the sky for two-plus hours due to weather at JFK, then landed at Wash. D.C. Dulles to refuel and sit on the ground for another couple of hours before flying into JFK just before 10. I just finished an AA flight yesterday where we took 10 hours to get to JFK from San Fransico. We left at 8:30 or so (scheduled 8:10), circled in the sky for two-plus hours due to weather at JFK, then landed at Wash. D.C. Dulles to refuel and sit on the ground for another couple of hours before flying into JFK just before 10.

]]> By: Jantmass http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-2/#comment-1393112 Jantmass Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:28:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393112 The engines on a 757 are "fly-by-wire" Each engine has a PMA (permanent magnet alternator) to supply electricity to the EEC (electronic engine control) in case of loss of electrical power. I can't believe those idiots continued flying! As far as engine shut down, the spar valves and the firewall shut off valves are all "powered closed". You don't want a loss of electrical power to shut off the fuel to the engines or feather the hydraulic pumps. The engines on a 757 are “fly-by-wire” Each engine has a PMA (permanent magnet alternator) to supply electricity to the EEC (electronic engine control) in case of loss of electrical power. I can’t believe those idiots continued flying! As far as engine shut down, the spar valves and the firewall shut off valves are all “powered closed”. You don’t want a loss of electrical power to shut off the fuel to the engines or feather the hydraulic pumps.

]]> By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1393074 Uncle Patso Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:16:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393074 Imagine if it had been one of those fly-by-wire planes... Imagine if it had been one of those fly-by-wire planes…

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1393030 pedro Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:07:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1393030 They said they could try finish the flight since most people on it were flying on miles. They said they could try finish the flight since most people on it were flying on miles.

]]> By: Air Travel http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392931 Air Travel Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:45:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392931 Next time remind me not to fly American What a way to ruin a legacy of air travel and customer service Next time remind me not to fly American
What a way to ruin a legacy of air travel and customer service

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392893 Glenn E. Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:22:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392893 #8 (link) Yeah, right from the horses mouth, so to speak. They flew for another hour and 40 minutes on batteries designed to last only 30 minutes? What kind of batteries did they think they had, those Energizer Bunny batteries? They could have easily made it to Denver. I wonder if AA execs urged them to keep on going. Pilots are under a lot of corporate bean-counter directives. "Post incident investigation revealed a failure of the B1/B2 contacts in the K106 electrical relay." - Ah, yet another Radio Shack relay bites the dust, eh? #8 (link)

Yeah, right from the horses mouth, so to speak. They flew for another hour and 40 minutes on batteries designed to last only 30 minutes? What kind of batteries did they think they had, those Energizer Bunny batteries? They could have easily made it to Denver. I wonder if AA execs urged them to keep on going. Pilots are under a lot of corporate bean-counter directives.

“Post incident investigation revealed a failure of the B1/B2 contacts in the K106 electrical relay.” – Ah, yet another Radio Shack relay bites the dust, eh?

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392867 GetSmart Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:31:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392867 And you idiots are worried about terrorists getting on a plane. I'd start worrying more about the flight crew and mechanics. And you idiots are worried about terrorists getting on a plane. I’d start worrying more about the flight crew and mechanics.

]]> By: Erik The Bruce http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392863 Erik The Bruce Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:24:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392863 . . . and the pilot said: "Man that was close! Hey! This sure is a wide runway!" . . . and the pilot said: “Man that was close! Hey! This sure is a wide runway!”

]]> By: Jägermeister http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392746 Jägermeister Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:17:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392746 You should really worry when the flight attendants start collecting AA batteries from the passengers... #4 - Special Ed - <i>I’ll bet the passengers had more skid marks than the runway.</i> ROTFLMAO :D You should really worry when the flight attendants start collecting AA batteries from the passengers…

#4 – Special Ed – I’ll bet the passengers had more skid marks than the runway.

ROTFLMAO :D

]]> By: Sying Flaucer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392720 Sying Flaucer Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:49:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392720 Coincidentally I just flew into Seattle too, and boy are my arms tired! Coincidentally I just flew into Seattle too, and boy are my arms tired!

]]> By: tdkyo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/25/chilling-details-of-a-seattle-flight-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-1392707 tdkyo Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:19:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=29152#comment-1392707 Duracell baby! Duracell baby!

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