Considering how little a gun is actually of much use to most citizens. It’s strange that this one amendment is fought over so much. While the right to own a car or a computer, isn’t in the Constitution as yet. I guess those are still considered as a luxury. But urban sprawl has spread the population out so much, that the need for a gun is far behind having a car to get food or go to one’s job. Or a computer to communicate with the world. Let’s face it, there is a lot about the US Constitution that’s way out of date. And the 2nd Amendment seems to be one that fanatics would kill over, to protect its obscure and outdated wordage.

Not true. Looking past hunting and target shooting, have you heard of the phrase “stopping power”? Many guns are designed to halt your assailant’s progress towards you. The 45 automatic comes to mind. In addition, many military weapons are actually designed to injure more than kill as caring for the wounded expends more resources than caring for the dead.

One person generally cannot defend themselves against a rogue government bent on tyranny however millions of people can. Trying to pacify an armed populace that is dedicated to your destruction can be incredibly costly. See Iraq.

The child killing themselves was of course tragic. However, the root cause is education. I think we should mandate more gun ownership *in addition* to (much) more gun training.

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Actually, kids can splice genes now. It is called grafting (well and procreation of course ;->).

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> Actually, they were just
> too cheap to keep much of
> a standing Army or Navy.

You were doing fine right up until that statement. Money was only a secondary issue. Many of the Founding Fathers, most especially Jefferson, opposed a standing Army on principle because of the temptation of leaders to use it to impose their will on the populace much as recent monarchies had done (and Napoleon would later do). The cost savings was a bonus consequence.

> Often it was proclaimed
> that for every German killed
> by the resistance, the Germans
> would kill 10, 20 or 100 civilians.
> Those pea shooters didn’t help them much.

I don’t buy that statistic. That does not account for the numerous military operations that we made possible or substantially more successful by the efforts of the resistance. If anything Germany’s victory over France in WW2 proves that they did not expend nearly enough effort in arming their population.

Killing people is already against the law, dosen’t matter if you use a uzi to kill the person, or a baseball bat.

Banning is just a knee-jerk reaction in response to some tragic event that could have been avoided if the people involved weren’t fucking morons. Banning what they USED during that moment dosen’t do jack shit, otherwise we wouldn’t have so much crime anymore would we?

You got it!

I feel the same way. I greatly admire your thoughts and enjoy our debates!

Thanks!

Except in extremely violent personal attacks by hand. Rare those, comparatively.

Of course guns kill people. Knives, screwdrivers and pencils do, too.

There is probably a case already in which somebody bludgeoned someone to death with an iPhone. One of the metal ones.

A competent instructor would guard against scope eye for the very first time shooter.

Seems to me that this uzi was set to automatic fire (thought that was illegal as on this blog it has been reported people have been arrested for automatic firing weapons at ranges?) which any expert should know would “walk the weapon up” ((or are uzi’s known for firing straight?)).

Anyhow, seems like the range instructor if not the parent should have known about weapon creep and guarded against it for the first time user==ADULT OR CHILD.

What kind of “expertise” do you have if you act just like an idiot?

I think you and I disagree over some small points and have gotten way off track. Could we save this for another day?

You are one of the few I can disagree with and still feel clean. The problem is tonight I am just up to a serious mental battle. And damn it, you always make me think!

Another hint: Look up the foundation of the PLO, and observe that it was in fact an extension of the Husseini clan. That in fact the PLO was one of the many “Palestinian nationalist groups” that the Husseini clan founded, and grew to prominence under Arafat, a Husseini.

I know it wouldn’t surprise you to discover the PLO was mostly an organization devoted to empowering the Husseini Clan. They were cut out of the goods when the Ottoman Empire was divided and are still trying to get their piece, and they are willing to sacrifice anyone to get what they want.

Therefore the intifada’s, etc.

No surprise here!

Another ignorant idiot who got their history watching the Disney Channel.

Remember, America was founded by ordinary citizens resisting their government.

No it wasn’t. It was fought by the gentry who didn’t like being oppressed by the British. That includes Land Owners, trades people, merchants, speculators, and slave owners. Ordinary farmers were better off under the British and had little issue. Only about 1/3 of the colonists supported the revolution. When the Constitution was written, it was written by those who controlled the legislatures, the rich, not the people.

Our founders wisely knew this would be needed again and made provisions for it.

Actually, they were just too cheap to keep much of a standing Army or Navy.

Europeans who think that military arms have no business in the hands of citizens are naive. Does Hitler ring a bell? How about the Soviets? The French citizenry fighting the occupiers in WWII were sure glad they had arms, weren’t they?

The German armies over ran every army and country that got in it’s face until 1943. I guess you haven’t heard of the “partisans”, underground, or resistance fighters. Often it was proclaimed that for every German killed by the resistance, the Germans would kill 10, 20 or 100 civilians. Those pea shooters didn’t help them much.

You’d think the British could’ve warned them. They have experience with those sorts of things (India).

The US had its own little experience with guerrilla warfare. Maybe you’ve heard of a place called the Philippines, or Lebanon, or Israel. Damn I wish you people would stop getting your history from Old Disney cartoons.