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	<title>Comments on: The Most Amazing Landing Ever!</title>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-1402647</link>
		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This note from an aviation artist/pilot who also happens to have survived an A7 losing a wing:&lt;/i&gt;

Fake, so fake! The airplane would spin with the good wing on the outside, not on the inside of the spin. Remember the helicopter leaves from the Swisher Tree?

When the wing broke off, it flew off to the right. It wouldn&#039;t do that in real life, the plane was going up, the wing would follow the flight path of the plane.

When the airplane lands, the bounce is so unnatural.
More important, when it landed it would have leaned into the wing when it stopped because there would be more weight on that side.  (If not tip over completely).

Last, when you look at the shadows, there&#039;s a shadow on the ground (CG) but there is no shadow on the aircrafts&#039; stab/elevator.

Someone sure went to a lot of trouble to make this video. It&#039;s good entertainment, but that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This note from an aviation artist/pilot who also happens to have survived an A7 losing a wing:</i></p>
<p>Fake, so fake! The airplane would spin with the good wing on the outside, not on the inside of the spin. Remember the helicopter leaves from the Swisher Tree?</p>
<p>When the wing broke off, it flew off to the right. It wouldn&#8217;t do that in real life, the plane was going up, the wing would follow the flight path of the plane.</p>
<p>When the airplane lands, the bounce is so unnatural.<br />
More important, when it landed it would have leaned into the wing when it stopped because there would be more weight on that side.  (If not tip over completely).</p>
<p>Last, when you look at the shadows, there&#8217;s a shadow on the ground (CG) but there is no shadow on the aircrafts&#8217; stab/elevator.</p>
<p>Someone sure went to a lot of trouble to make this video. It&#8217;s good entertainment, but that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Correia</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-1399157</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Correia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderfully well done! It&#039;s just a shame the plane spins to left after loosing the right wing. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderfully well done! It&#8217;s just a shame the plane spins to left after loosing the right wing. <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-1398338</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool RC video.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-1398193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geeze, you guys are probably the same ones disputing Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Great Pumpkin. What a bunch or poop heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geeze, you guys are probably the same ones disputing Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Great Pumpkin. What a bunch or poop heads.</p>
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		<title>By: RP</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1398087</link>
		<dc:creator>RP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Darpa just did a test where a 1/3 FA 18 model lost 2/3 of its wing and landed safely. Which was hailed as a outstanding achievement, may win the Collier Award for that. It looked like a model airplane just by the way the plane was moving around. RC planes have such a HIGH power to weight ratio they can do things that would kill a pilot. I&#039;ve got to call B@@@@@it on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Darpa just did a test where a 1/3 FA 18 model lost 2/3 of its wing and landed safely. Which was hailed as a outstanding achievement, may win the Collier Award for that. It looked like a model airplane just by the way the plane was moving around. RC planes have such a HIGH power to weight ratio they can do things that would kill a pilot. I&#8217;ve got to call B@@@@@it on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: pjakobs</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397905</link>
		<dc:creator>pjakobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say this does not look very convincing for a few reasons:

- the wing break looks totally clean. In a real wing break event, it would not just separate at the root spar but disintegrate. This is more a &quot;wing loss&quot; event, which seems very very odd.

- Those wings are built to withstand +/-10g. The wing separated down, so the negative acceleration would have been amazingly high, even if a structural failure had been present, it would still hold more negative g than a torque figure (lomcovac?) would create and the pilot could withstand. Those torque figures are flown using the torque from the engine, therefore, they&#039;re usually flown at rather low speeds.

- just before landing, in that &quot;wing high&quot; attitude, there&#039;s no rudder deflection to be seen. If you&#039;re flying with vertical wings, you have to produce lift by using the fuselage, which means you have to have a high angle of attack, which, because you are 90° off your normal attitude, means that you have to use full or almost full rudder &quot;away from the ground&quot;. Can&#039;t be seen here.

now, having that said, I have seen a case where a very similar thing happened to a model airplane and the pilot saved it. It&#039;s entirely possible by physics, this just doesn&#039;t look very convincing.

pj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say this does not look very convincing for a few reasons:</p>
<p>- the wing break looks totally clean. In a real wing break event, it would not just separate at the root spar but disintegrate. This is more a &#8220;wing loss&#8221; event, which seems very very odd.</p>
<p>- Those wings are built to withstand +/-10g. The wing separated down, so the negative acceleration would have been amazingly high, even if a structural failure had been present, it would still hold more negative g than a torque figure (lomcovac?) would create and the pilot could withstand. Those torque figures are flown using the torque from the engine, therefore, they&#8217;re usually flown at rather low speeds.</p>
<p>- just before landing, in that &#8220;wing high&#8221; attitude, there&#8217;s no rudder deflection to be seen. If you&#8217;re flying with vertical wings, you have to produce lift by using the fuselage, which means you have to have a high angle of attack, which, because you are 90° off your normal attitude, means that you have to use full or almost full rudder &#8220;away from the ground&#8221;. Can&#8217;t be seen here.</p>
<p>now, having that said, I have seen a case where a very similar thing happened to a model airplane and the pilot saved it. It&#8217;s entirely possible by physics, this just doesn&#8217;t look very convincing.</p>
<p>pj</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hah did anyone honestly think this was real?

Fake, fake, fake.

Why wouldn&#039;t the pilot bail when his wing fell off? That should have been the first signal to anyone who thought this was real. Second, the craptastic CGI editing should have told you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hah did anyone honestly think this was real?</p>
<p>Fake, fake, fake.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t the pilot bail when his wing fell off? That should have been the first signal to anyone who thought this was real. Second, the craptastic CGI editing should have told you.</p>
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		<title>By: Debdiego</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397759</link>
		<dc:creator>Debdiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just waiting for Godzilla to come out of the cockpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just waiting for Godzilla to come out of the cockpit.</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397738</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bit there at the end looked very fake to me for some reason, but it might just be a very clean plane and an odd light angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bit there at the end looked very fake to me for some reason, but it might just be a very clean plane and an odd light angle.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397733</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if he&#039;d gotten out with the wing off side clearly showing...

Those little planes have a staggering amount of lift because of powerful  engines and small weight....

I wasn&#039;t there so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if he&#8217;d gotten out with the wing off side clearly showing&#8230;</p>
<p>Those little planes have a staggering amount of lift because of powerful  engines and small weight&#8230;.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t there so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397729</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was a fake the planes matched up real  good. 

Some  really freak  things have been known to happen. 

If not a fake I doubt if he&#039;d want to try that again.

You guys have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was a fake the planes matched up real  good. </p>
<p>Some  really freak  things have been known to happen. </p>
<p>If not a fake I doubt if he&#8217;d want to try that again.</p>
<p>You guys have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397725</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Camera Makers,

For god&#039;s sake, can&#039;t you make a video camera that doesn&#039;t randomly go out of focus at exactly the most critical times when unusual things are being shot?

We shoot hundreds of tapes without ever having the camera blur out, but when the Yeti steps from the Flying Saucer with his arms around Ambrose Bierce, all of the sudden the camera goes kerfluie and we get that critical match-up moment where we could have seen truth or fake, now obscured forever by your shoddy autofocus system designs.

Stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Camera Makers,</p>
<p>For god&#8217;s sake, can&#8217;t you make a video camera that doesn&#8217;t randomly go out of focus at exactly the most critical times when unusual things are being shot?</p>
<p>We shoot hundreds of tapes without ever having the camera blur out, but when the Yeti steps from the Flying Saucer with his arms around Ambrose Bierce, all of the sudden the camera goes kerfluie and we get that critical match-up moment where we could have seen truth or fake, now obscured forever by your shoddy autofocus system designs.</p>
<p>Stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397724</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...AAAAAAAAAKE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;AAAAAAAAAKE!</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-most-amazing-landing-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-1397718</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hhopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and then exploded into flames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and then exploded into flames.</p>
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