Comments on: Think the Web is slow, today, eh?

By: Mr. Fusion

Mr. Fusion — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:21:15 +0000

Yes, there has been quite a bit of server problems at DU’s end.

I know Marc is working on it and wish him the best.

By: Pestilence

Pestilence — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:27:25 +0000

I am able to see the effect of this already. The company I work for uses Cogent as it’s main ISP and our cellular provider is Sprint-Nextel. Traffic to/from our Blackberry users is taking an increased amount of time from the data center. Sometimes it’s only a few seconds, other times it’s been 5 minutes plus depending on the traffic being passed.

By: pedro

pedro — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:47:18 +0000

#7 You might be on to something. Which leads me to beleive that J will be a hell of a CEO.

#16 I think you have to talk with Perkel about that. Something about localhost.

By: Mister Mustard

Mister Mustard — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:16:49 +0000

#15 – JP

I often cannot read things that are posted here, because there was “AN ERROR ESTABLISHING DATABASE CONNECTION” or some other mumbo jumbo.

By: John Paradox

John Paradox — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:35:30 +0000

Ironically, I couldn’t read this a few hours ago because of a local outage.

Happy Halloween
Happy All Saints Day

J/P=?

By: ECA

ECA — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:31:03 +0000

Frag..
The NET STILL isnt a net..
Qwest probably has only 6-12 interconnects to OTHER companies..
Its the same with the other companies also..
ANd you DONT get the fastest either..

Long ago, I thought there was a Routing program to direct your programs thru…I aint seen it in awhile..
You could ping each site, and see the interconnects and Choose a route..

By: FRAGaLOT

FRAGaLOT — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:42:28 +0000

ECA
It’s not like if one node goes down you’ll lose your entire net access. That only applies to maybe the first 2-3 hops (or the LAST few hops to your destination) you see on a traceroute were to go down.

The internet is designed to re-route packets around the globe. Just because your connection goes from IDAHO to AZ dosen’t mean it’s the ONLY route, but that is indeed the best route that your ISP has set up right now, which could change over time. It has noting to do with physical DISTANCE, but the number of HOPS it takes to get from point A to point B. So for right now ID to AZ is a short hop, that probably bypasses a dozen extra hops that would lead to the same destination.

If the AZ node went down, it can be re-routed elsewhere that’s on your ISP’s network but it will take more “hops” to get there.

The problem is when a big connections, like this one mentioned in this story, go down the packets will have to take more hops to get it’s destination, and if you have a short TTL you may never get to the destination.

By: FRAGaLOT

FRAGaLOT — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:33:29 +0000

Paddy-O
Assuming that this peering with Sprint and Cognet is one of the many trans-Atlantic connections, then this is a significant issue here. For those of us living in the US, this is probably a non-issue to us in the short term. It’s not like packets will never make it to Europe anymore, there are many other paths and routes to get there. Could also cause some sites to never work due to extra hops, and short TTLs.

But this is not so much of a network lag traffic issue but more of a bone head political money grubbing bullshit maneuver where two companies are squabbling over something that INDEED has a big impact with European net users who often visit sites located in the USA.

By: ECA

ECA — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:42:15 +0000

For those that dont understand the NET…
THINK about 4-6 BALLS of yarn..
Each ball is made up of 100’s of SHORT strands and not 1 complete string..
Only where those short strings get KNOTTED to another ball can different sections TALK across the net.
You can have 4 Phone companies ALL having a HUB in a large city, and NEVER interconnect with each other.
Wondering the NET in the USA, is like wondering a 4D maze…
Iv seen EMAIL and online chats…to someone NEXT DOOR..Bounce around the WHOLE USA, to finally get to the designated person..
AND dont THINK, that the net takes the BEST route. generally it takes the ONLY route. If 1 section gets Disconnected from 1 company..the ODDS are, you wont be able to get THREW/out/in to those services or Persons..

It would be cool if EVERY metro had a HUB for all connections and interconnections…BUT IT ISNT THAT WAY.. Im in IDAHO and my ISP connects me from Arizona.. I have a friend 10 miles away on a different ISP, and Mail to him doesnt go FROM HERE, to BOISE, to HIM…It goes from Idaho, to Colorado, to Cali, to WASHINGTON to BOISE Idaho, to my friend.
And if 1 interconnect between ANY location is DOWN, it probably WONT GET THERE.

By: pjakobs

pjakobs — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:14:22 +0000

#9, Paddy-O

let’s not get hung up with my inabilty to perform such simplistic tasks as copy and paste without failing.
Point is: private peerings do some of the real heavy lifting on the net.

By: Paddy-O

Paddy-O — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:30:50 +0000

#8 pjakobs – I never said, “I know for a fact that most of my i-net traffic goes through private peering since the largest German carrier only has minimal bandwidth at the public peering points.”

By: pjakobs

pjakobs — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:18:52 +0000

#5: Paddy-O said I know for a fact that most of my i-net traffic goes through private peering since the largest German carrier only has minimal bandwidth at the public peering points.
Private peering between the big players carries huge amounts of traffic.

By: John

John — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:08:44 +0000

I have a theory. People in charge (think CEOs and other high level executives) lost a lot of playground fights as kids. These picked on brats grew up… well no, they didn’t grow up. They just got older and earned MBAs.

I can just picture the conference rooms at both companies with a bunch of guys with fake tans and expensive suits yelling into the speaker phone, “I know you are, but what am I?”

By: StaunchRepublican

StaunchRepublican — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:59:28 +0000

@#3″Silly & meaningless statement.”

One point awarded for consistency.

By: Paddy-O

Paddy-O — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:57:56 +0000

#4 Correct. But I don’t think most of the internet traffic to and from your computer is “private peering”.